>India's Crown
>
>Dr Chithra Karunakaran
>
>Dear Rising Kashmir Editor,
>
>This is in response to the article, ‘India has lost Kashmir by Mehdi Siddique.
>
>Kashmir has been an integral part of the world's largest democracy, even before India became a democracy. Kashmir has been an integral, indivisible and inalienable part of India since 1586.
>
>In 1586, one of the world's greatest-ever rulers, the greatest Mughal, India's foremost secularist, Jalaluddin Mohammad Akbar, Akbar the Great, sent two loyal Hindu Rajput generals to Jammu and the Valley to overthrow the Turki (Muslim) upstart ruler.
>
>Akbar, the pre-eminent nation-builder, taught Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs and every Mughal subject, about secularism.
>
>Akbar annexed Kashmir and Kashmir became part of Mughal India.
>
>Since then, no matter who ruled it after that -Turks, Afghans, Sikhs, Dogras, Rajputs, Jats, Marathas, British-Kashmir has remained a proud part of India.
>
>Kashmir is India's crown. India stretches from Kashmir in the North to Kanyakumari in the South, from Indian Ocean in the East to Indian Ocean in the West. That is India immemorial and Akbar made it real.
>
>If you know your own history you can think freely, critically, knowledgeably, independently, logically based on proof, evidence, fact, not opinion or belief, then no politician or fanatic can fool you.
>
>Dr Chithra KarunaKaran
>City University of New York [CUNY]
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
http://EthicalDemocracy.blogspot.com
>KarunaKaran.Chithra@gmail.com
>
Saturday, December 18, 2010
Monday, December 6, 2010
Dominant-Caste Hindu Advocates Tri-Partition -- AGAIN
Dominant caste Hindu Minister Advocates Tri-Partition -- Again.
I don't call them High caste, I call them Dominant castes. Or Oppressor castes.
The burden of proof is on these self-privileged individuals to PROVE that they care MORE about the Greater Collective Good (GCG), rather than their own selfish economic and political interests.
Sham Lal Sharma, the Brahmin J&K Minister of Health & Horticulture [what a ridiculous dual portfolio, an insult to Aam Koshur interests] recently advocated Tri-Partition, dividing Jammu, Kashmir and Ladakh, and allowing Valley separatists to rule Kashmir.
Never trust dominant caste Hindus.
They divided India in 1947, by colluding with the Brits, and now they are at it again in 2010.
They always promote their own dominant-caste economic interests, they will never support the rightful demands to peace, prosperity and unity of Aam Koshur in the Valley, in the great state of J&K, which is an integral part of India.
Look who the separatists are -- Geelani, Arundhati Roy, the dominant caste-Hindus are all on the same side. Now we see a clearer picture emerging.
The BJP/RSS, on the other hand are anti-separatism BUT they are pseudo-nationalists, because they are also caste-dominant and support dominant-caste interests
Therefore, Aam Janta Kashmiris, Aam Koshur can never ally with the BJP. Aam Koshur do not need the BJP/RSS to advise them about their rights as Indian citizens.
Aam Koshur REJECT the BJP/RSS, especially in the Valley and in Ladakh.
In Jammu BJP/RSS are buttressed by dominant-caste landed and powerful large-scale business interests.
On the OPPOSITE side of ALL these separatists and pseudo-nationalists, are the ordinary people of J&K (ordinary people like you and me) who want Education, Employment, Job Training, Microcredit, Gender Equity, Healthcare, Housing, Environmental Conservation and other demonstrable indicators of Social Justice and Human Dignity.
WE the People of India, including J&K, especially Aam Koshur, will win against ALL these separatists, pseudo-nationalists and dominant-caste vested interests.
I have volunteered as an educator in the Valley and in Ladakh for 3 years, and I have tried to educate myself by living with working families, observing and participating in the situation on the ground, as well as constructing a geopolitical analysis from a socio-historical point of view.
Dr. Chithra KarunaKaran
Professor Social Sciences
City University of New York (CUNY)
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
http://EthicalDemocracy.blogsp...
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
TOI copyright on J&K Tri-partition call by dominant caste minister Sham Lal Sharma
----------
Rising Kashmir copyright
Coalition simmers over Sham’s K remark
Statement under scanner: CM; NC upset, Cong blames media
Shabir Dar
Jammu, Dec 08: Health Minister Sham lal Sharma’s controversial remarks about trifurcation of the state are being examined and would be followed with due action if deemed necessary, said Chief Minister Omar Abdullah here Wednesday.
Meanwhile, National Conference has termed Sham’s “attempt to link” his remarks to the statements of senior party leader Mustafa Kamal as “unwarranted and uncalled for” even as Congress blamed media for “exaggerating” the minister’s statement.
“Due notice has been taken of the minister’s statement at an appropriate quarter. Please, allow them to examine the statement and in what context the statement was made. Whatever, action has to be taken will follow the examination of the statement,” Omar told reporters on the sidelines of a function here.
A day after Sham sought to clarify the context of his December 5 statement referring to senior NC leader Mustafa Kamal’s criticism of Congress party in recent times, NC objected to the minister’s “attempt to link” his controversial remarks with Kamal.
“It is very unfortunate that the minister has linked his statement with NC and its leadership,” read a statement issued by NC.
Stating that Kamal never made any remarks challenging the integrity of the state, the statement added, “He (Kamal) was infact admonished publically by NC President Farooq Abdullah on December 5 at Hazratbal for making certain remarks on Congress-NC relationship of the past.”
“He categorically asked Kamal not to make any statement on the historical perspective of the relationship between the two parties in the larger interest of the present coalition.”
Meanwhile, Congress leaders seem defiant over Sham’s remarks. “What wrong Sham has said? He has said that Jammu is not getting its due share in development and allocation of funds. His statement was blown out of proportion,” said a senior Congress leader.
Even, PCC Chief Saiffuddin Soz has come in support of the Congress minister saying, “Media has made mountain out of a molehill.”
Responding to Sham’s Tuesday statement, NC has asserted that the party always stood for the integrity of the state and for equitable development of all regions.
“Coalition under the leadership of chief minister Omar Abdullah is running very smoothly and working for the welfare of the state. The party is committed to smooth functioning of the coalition in the state,” reads the NC statement.
“The responsible elements must exercise restraint and not vitiate the atmosphere of goodwill and bonhomie the two parties are enjoying,” it adds.
Meanwhile, according to sources, the health minister and his close aides in Congress party met at the residence of MP Madan Lal Sharma, who is also Sham’s brother, last evening to prepare “defensive strategy” in view of the controversy raked by his statement. Besides the Sharma brothers, the meeting was attended by at least five Congress leaders, sources said.
“It was decided that a collective effort be made to avoid any further damage and the last evening’s clarification statement was part of that,” sources added.
Sources said Madan Lal left for New Delhi on Wednesday and is expected to prepare a defensive ground within the party. He has also asked some of the senior party leaders from the state to support Sham.
I don't call them High caste, I call them Dominant castes. Or Oppressor castes.
The burden of proof is on these self-privileged individuals to PROVE that they care MORE about the Greater Collective Good (GCG), rather than their own selfish economic and political interests.
Sham Lal Sharma, the Brahmin J&K Minister of Health & Horticulture [what a ridiculous dual portfolio, an insult to Aam Koshur interests] recently advocated Tri-Partition, dividing Jammu, Kashmir and Ladakh, and allowing Valley separatists to rule Kashmir.
Never trust dominant caste Hindus.
They divided India in 1947, by colluding with the Brits, and now they are at it again in 2010.
They always promote their own dominant-caste economic interests, they will never support the rightful demands to peace, prosperity and unity of Aam Koshur in the Valley, in the great state of J&K, which is an integral part of India.
Look who the separatists are -- Geelani, Arundhati Roy, the dominant caste-Hindus are all on the same side. Now we see a clearer picture emerging.
The BJP/RSS, on the other hand are anti-separatism BUT they are pseudo-nationalists, because they are also caste-dominant and support dominant-caste interests
Therefore, Aam Janta Kashmiris, Aam Koshur can never ally with the BJP. Aam Koshur do not need the BJP/RSS to advise them about their rights as Indian citizens.
Aam Koshur REJECT the BJP/RSS, especially in the Valley and in Ladakh.
In Jammu BJP/RSS are buttressed by dominant-caste landed and powerful large-scale business interests.
On the OPPOSITE side of ALL these separatists and pseudo-nationalists, are the ordinary people of J&K (ordinary people like you and me) who want Education, Employment, Job Training, Microcredit, Gender Equity, Healthcare, Housing, Environmental Conservation and other demonstrable indicators of Social Justice and Human Dignity.
WE the People of India, including J&K, especially Aam Koshur, will win against ALL these separatists, pseudo-nationalists and dominant-caste vested interests.
I have volunteered as an educator in the Valley and in Ladakh for 3 years, and I have tried to educate myself by living with working families, observing and participating in the situation on the ground, as well as constructing a geopolitical analysis from a socio-historical point of view.
Dr. Chithra KarunaKaran
Professor Social Sciences
City University of New York (CUNY)
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
http://EthicalDemocracy.blogsp...
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
TOI copyright on J&K Tri-partition call by dominant caste minister Sham Lal Sharma
----------
Rising Kashmir copyright
Coalition simmers over Sham’s K remark
Statement under scanner: CM; NC upset, Cong blames media
Shabir Dar
Jammu, Dec 08: Health Minister Sham lal Sharma’s controversial remarks about trifurcation of the state are being examined and would be followed with due action if deemed necessary, said Chief Minister Omar Abdullah here Wednesday.
Meanwhile, National Conference has termed Sham’s “attempt to link” his remarks to the statements of senior party leader Mustafa Kamal as “unwarranted and uncalled for” even as Congress blamed media for “exaggerating” the minister’s statement.
“Due notice has been taken of the minister’s statement at an appropriate quarter. Please, allow them to examine the statement and in what context the statement was made. Whatever, action has to be taken will follow the examination of the statement,” Omar told reporters on the sidelines of a function here.
A day after Sham sought to clarify the context of his December 5 statement referring to senior NC leader Mustafa Kamal’s criticism of Congress party in recent times, NC objected to the minister’s “attempt to link” his controversial remarks with Kamal.
“It is very unfortunate that the minister has linked his statement with NC and its leadership,” read a statement issued by NC.
Stating that Kamal never made any remarks challenging the integrity of the state, the statement added, “He (Kamal) was infact admonished publically by NC President Farooq Abdullah on December 5 at Hazratbal for making certain remarks on Congress-NC relationship of the past.”
“He categorically asked Kamal not to make any statement on the historical perspective of the relationship between the two parties in the larger interest of the present coalition.”
Meanwhile, Congress leaders seem defiant over Sham’s remarks. “What wrong Sham has said? He has said that Jammu is not getting its due share in development and allocation of funds. His statement was blown out of proportion,” said a senior Congress leader.
Even, PCC Chief Saiffuddin Soz has come in support of the Congress minister saying, “Media has made mountain out of a molehill.”
Responding to Sham’s Tuesday statement, NC has asserted that the party always stood for the integrity of the state and for equitable development of all regions.
“Coalition under the leadership of chief minister Omar Abdullah is running very smoothly and working for the welfare of the state. The party is committed to smooth functioning of the coalition in the state,” reads the NC statement.
“The responsible elements must exercise restraint and not vitiate the atmosphere of goodwill and bonhomie the two parties are enjoying,” it adds.
Meanwhile, according to sources, the health minister and his close aides in Congress party met at the residence of MP Madan Lal Sharma, who is also Sham’s brother, last evening to prepare “defensive strategy” in view of the controversy raked by his statement. Besides the Sharma brothers, the meeting was attended by at least five Congress leaders, sources said.
“It was decided that a collective effort be made to avoid any further damage and the last evening’s clarification statement was part of that,” sources added.
Sources said Madan Lal left for New Delhi on Wednesday and is expected to prepare a defensive ground within the party. He has also asked some of the senior party leaders from the state to support Sham.
Saturday, December 4, 2010
Discursive Indians & The Breath Eternal
Hey Subhash, so kind of you to write.
Q. Isn't the most precious attribute of the the "Hindu" lifeway, in fact the most precious attribute of Shinto Buddhism or Jaini belief or indigenous or any other non-revealed faith systems,
the culturally learned capacity to be deeply devotional without impinging on others?
The 'hindutva' crowd in my direct experience is a class/caste phenomenon, a troubling modernity that claimed Gandhi's life, with its extreme patriarchal posturing in the public sphere.
I remember encountering them at the Gateway of India, right after the taxi bombing, where they were holding a black flag demonstration against Islam. I saw a whole lot of lower middle class, ahistorical, non-college educated maharastrian MEN (not a woman in sight) shouting against "Islam" and "Islamic terrorism". I remonstrated with them and they threatened me with physical harm. At the time I was staying all alone, a 'Hindu' new yorker (:, in a mohalla in Dongree.
I also encountered them, again men, in Ladakh, this past year, where they were trying to get Buddhist nuns to 'work' with the BJP/RSS.
There were many disturbing nuances to these encounters which I am necessarily leaving out in this email exchange.
The one thing our ancient, composite, disparate, happily contradictory lifeway does not need is an organization purporting to speak for me, to represent me, to interpret in self-serving ways, my ethnicity, my culture, my beliefs, my lifeway, my breath. Does my breath need a throwdown from the HAF? It's obscene.
The Vedic Indus pre-social, pre-totemic way focused on the breath eternal, an observable (how very scientific) shared attribute of all living things.
So, let me exhale in my own way! Breath is not a brand. It's what we share with all living organisms. The African and Native American lifeways also revere breath.
The intrinsic beauty of the 'Hindu' Vedanta lifeway is its vast embrace of the universal human condition within as well as transcending the dynamic natural world.
In contrast, The Hindutva adherents. of another aeon constructed caste ideology on top of an occupational structure, to further their class and landed interests. And the colonial-imperial project, well -- you know how that deal went down!
I am happy to note that my dearest friends are Pakistani Lahori yoga practitioners, and one Kashmiri Sunni Muslim male, a gentle soul, who (with my help and at his request) has just managed to fund a meditation room in a public hospital in the Valley, where I have been going, alone and unencumbered, for the past five years.
So Subhash, thanks for writing and if you are on the East Coast, tea's on me.
Best,
Chithra Karunakaran
note: as for your point about ethical democracy, it is my lifeway and all I do is strive societally, using my breath. That is all.
If you pass me on my path, I am sure to engage, as we are doing now.
I have asserted, as perhaps you have, that I/we, in the public sphere, can be ethical, it is in our achievable nature to be so.
Yes elections are corrupting, we live in a millennia of increasing de-sensitization, shame and guilt are no longer viable, profit and prophets are!
But I/we persevere, vote, pick up trash, eschew plastic, plant tulips for a new york spring, drink tea from stainless steel cups on the Indian trains, because I/we have concluded, based on the best available information, that a paper cup is unsustainable, whether to produce or dispose. To my limited but unfolding understanding, that's ethical democracy as lived practice.
Dr. Chithra Karunakaran
City University of New York (CUNY)
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
http://EthicalDemocracy.blogspot.com
www.disqus.com/EthicalDemocracy
====================================================================================
copyright Subhash Garg -- you own your own comments.
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 3:57 AM, SG wrote:
Dear Chithra,
I don't understand this comment by you on a NY Times site: "A US organization calling itself the Hindu American foundation is in itself an embarrassment to multiethnic, multireligious secular India". Does secularism dictate that Indians hide their religion in a closet?
Indians in India look ridiculously sheepish, apologizing for being Indian to their former colonial masters. But in America, many of us ARE masters, and damn good at it too. We see no reason to kowtow to the white man. We know how to protest, and the NY Times story proves it.
If you find this assertiveness a threat, pray tell whose interests you serve?
By the way, isn't ethical democracy an oxymoron? After all, elections are expensive and all too frequent - and increasingly, a pitiful media circus devoid of merit. It's not like panchayat raj where the authorities earn their respect by integrity. Modern elections are a slanderfest.
Respectfully,
Subhash Garg
Milpitas, CA USA
--------------------
copyright Subhash Garg -- you own your own comments.
Dear Chithra,
Thank you for the illuminating comments on ethical democracy in living
practice, which I share, and your generous invitation to tea. I shall
keep it in mind. On the subject at hand, I don't know that the HAF
advocates violence and threatening behavior of the sort you describe.
I have found no reason to link them with Thackeray et al.
I agree that it is beautiful to pursue one's beliefs without impinging
on others. But what if others impinge upon you? Well, Gandhiji echoed
Christ, "turn the other cheek", and declared "there is no cause for
which I am prepared to kill". Shri Ram, Shri Krishna, Ma Durga and
others taught Hindus to fearlessly fight adharma, and not be afraid to
kill. As a Hindu I can respect Mohammad and love Muslims for
centuries, but if they kill 120 unarmed Hindus with zero provocation,
they better be very afraid. As a Gandhian I would probably invite them
to kill a few hundred more. I choose to be a Hindu.
With warm regards,
Subhash Garg
-------------------
copyright ethicaldemocracy
Hey Subhash,
I want to thank you for your emails. They have truly been valuable for me as I have tried to deepen my own understanding of the points at hand.
Our mutually respectful, vigorous email discussion hinges on text -- and the text reported in the NYTimes article asked the critical question "Who owns Yoga?"
The text of that same article further contained a direct quote from the purported "co-founder" of the Hindu-American Foundation who stated:
"“In a way,” said Dr. Aseem Shukla, the foundation’s co-founder, “our " issue" is that yoga has thrived, but *Hinduism* has lost *control* of the *brand*.” [my asterisked emphasis added]
It is 1) the question and 2) the assertion
that I have sought to address first in my New York Times comment and now in my responses to you. I am fortunate to have such an engagement.Thanks.
First, Nobody, but nobody, individual or group, according to historical evidence, "owns " "yoga" , not me , not you, certainly not the HAF.
The patriarchal posturing of the HAF is highly regrettable and dangerous.
They cannot presume to speak on behalf of me, or for me -- a breather!
Second, HAF's partiarchal, self-anointed authorities would seek to BRAND [their word, not mine, words matter and we can and must be held accountable for the words we use, in the public sphere] is preposterous and should be vigorously resisted.
To brand breath is to corporatize and profit from breath.
Every word in that HAF statement is questionable because it is unsupported by any evidence -- "Hinduism" "lost" "control" "brand"
Here's my empirical point:
Breath is pre-social, pre-totemic, pre-faith, pre-religious, pre-ideology, pre-Hindu.
Breath is evidential, it is observable in all organisms and the natural world. We can be in AWE of Breath, that one shared attribute of the universe, and we can do that, think that, feel that, without Faith, without beliefs.
Awe is possible without Faith or Belief, which in any case it precedes.
Breath precedes Awe!
I, a breather have Awe but not Faith or Belief, especially of the type that is "control"-led and prescribed by the HAF, or the mulla, or the papist, or the BJP,or the RSS, or the Bajrang Dal.
That is why no group can lay claim to breath. They cannot own it. Therefore they cannot own yoga, a manner of thoughtful, reflective Breath
Subhash, you have stated you are a Hindu, whatever that may be.
I support your stated belief, and it is true you do not need my support for your belief but I offer it anyway.
I only claim I am a breather -- and even that will cease!
Or take another form that nonone, nobody can "own" "brand" "control"
Best,
Chithra
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Q. Isn't the most precious attribute of the the "Hindu" lifeway, in fact the most precious attribute of Shinto Buddhism or Jaini belief or indigenous or any other non-revealed faith systems,
the culturally learned capacity to be deeply devotional without impinging on others?
The 'hindutva' crowd in my direct experience is a class/caste phenomenon, a troubling modernity that claimed Gandhi's life, with its extreme patriarchal posturing in the public sphere.
I remember encountering them at the Gateway of India, right after the taxi bombing, where they were holding a black flag demonstration against Islam. I saw a whole lot of lower middle class, ahistorical, non-college educated maharastrian MEN (not a woman in sight) shouting against "Islam" and "Islamic terrorism". I remonstrated with them and they threatened me with physical harm. At the time I was staying all alone, a 'Hindu' new yorker (:, in a mohalla in Dongree.
I also encountered them, again men, in Ladakh, this past year, where they were trying to get Buddhist nuns to 'work' with the BJP/RSS.
There were many disturbing nuances to these encounters which I am necessarily leaving out in this email exchange.
The one thing our ancient, composite, disparate, happily contradictory lifeway does not need is an organization purporting to speak for me, to represent me, to interpret in self-serving ways, my ethnicity, my culture, my beliefs, my lifeway, my breath. Does my breath need a throwdown from the HAF? It's obscene.
The Vedic Indus pre-social, pre-totemic way focused on the breath eternal, an observable (how very scientific) shared attribute of all living things.
So, let me exhale in my own way! Breath is not a brand. It's what we share with all living organisms. The African and Native American lifeways also revere breath.
The intrinsic beauty of the 'Hindu' Vedanta lifeway is its vast embrace of the universal human condition within as well as transcending the dynamic natural world.
In contrast, The Hindutva adherents. of another aeon constructed caste ideology on top of an occupational structure, to further their class and landed interests. And the colonial-imperial project, well -- you know how that deal went down!
I am happy to note that my dearest friends are Pakistani Lahori yoga practitioners, and one Kashmiri Sunni Muslim male, a gentle soul, who (with my help and at his request) has just managed to fund a meditation room in a public hospital in the Valley, where I have been going, alone and unencumbered, for the past five years.
So Subhash, thanks for writing and if you are on the East Coast, tea's on me.
Best,
Chithra Karunakaran
note: as for your point about ethical democracy, it is my lifeway and all I do is strive societally, using my breath. That is all.
If you pass me on my path, I am sure to engage, as we are doing now.
I have asserted, as perhaps you have, that I/we, in the public sphere, can be ethical, it is in our achievable nature to be so.
Yes elections are corrupting, we live in a millennia of increasing de-sensitization, shame and guilt are no longer viable, profit and prophets are!
But I/we persevere, vote, pick up trash, eschew plastic, plant tulips for a new york spring, drink tea from stainless steel cups on the Indian trains, because I/we have concluded, based on the best available information, that a paper cup is unsustainable, whether to produce or dispose. To my limited but unfolding understanding, that's ethical democracy as lived practice.
Dr. Chithra Karunakaran
City University of New York (CUNY)
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
http://EthicalDemocracy.blogspot.com
www.disqus.com/EthicalDemocracy
====================================================================================
copyright Subhash Garg -- you own your own comments.
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 3:57 AM, SG
Dear Chithra,
I don't understand this comment by you on a NY Times site: "A US organization calling itself the Hindu American foundation is in itself an embarrassment to multiethnic, multireligious secular India". Does secularism dictate that Indians hide their religion in a closet?
Indians in India look ridiculously sheepish, apologizing for being Indian to their former colonial masters. But in America, many of us ARE masters, and damn good at it too. We see no reason to kowtow to the white man. We know how to protest, and the NY Times story proves it.
If you find this assertiveness a threat, pray tell whose interests you serve?
By the way, isn't ethical democracy an oxymoron? After all, elections are expensive and all too frequent - and increasingly, a pitiful media circus devoid of merit. It's not like panchayat raj where the authorities earn their respect by integrity. Modern elections are a slanderfest.
Respectfully,
Subhash Garg
Milpitas, CA USA
--------------------
copyright Subhash Garg -- you own your own comments.
Dear Chithra,
Thank you for the illuminating comments on ethical democracy in living
practice, which I share, and your generous invitation to tea. I shall
keep it in mind. On the subject at hand, I don't know that the HAF
advocates violence and threatening behavior of the sort you describe.
I have found no reason to link them with Thackeray et al.
I agree that it is beautiful to pursue one's beliefs without impinging
on others. But what if others impinge upon you? Well, Gandhiji echoed
Christ, "turn the other cheek", and declared "there is no cause for
which I am prepared to kill". Shri Ram, Shri Krishna, Ma Durga and
others taught Hindus to fearlessly fight adharma, and not be afraid to
kill. As a Hindu I can respect Mohammad and love Muslims for
centuries, but if they kill 120 unarmed Hindus with zero provocation,
they better be very afraid. As a Gandhian I would probably invite them
to kill a few hundred more. I choose to be a Hindu.
With warm regards,
Subhash Garg
-------------------
copyright ethicaldemocracy
Hey Subhash,
I want to thank you for your emails. They have truly been valuable for me as I have tried to deepen my own understanding of the points at hand.
Our mutually respectful, vigorous email discussion hinges on text -- and the text reported in the NYTimes article asked the critical question "Who owns Yoga?"
The text of that same article further contained a direct quote from the purported "co-founder" of the Hindu-American Foundation who stated:
"“In a way,” said Dr. Aseem Shukla, the foundation’s co-founder, “our " issue" is that yoga has thrived, but *Hinduism* has lost *control* of the *brand*.” [my asterisked emphasis added]
It is 1) the question and 2) the assertion
that I have sought to address first in my New York Times comment and now in my responses to you. I am fortunate to have such an engagement.Thanks.
First, Nobody, but nobody, individual or group, according to historical evidence, "owns " "yoga" , not me , not you, certainly not the HAF.
The patriarchal posturing of the HAF is highly regrettable and dangerous.
They cannot presume to speak on behalf of me, or for me -- a breather!
Second, HAF's partiarchal, self-anointed authorities would seek to BRAND [their word, not mine, words matter and we can and must be held accountable for the words we use, in the public sphere] is preposterous and should be vigorously resisted.
To brand breath is to corporatize and profit from breath.
Every word in that HAF statement is questionable because it is unsupported by any evidence -- "Hinduism" "lost" "control" "brand"
Here's my empirical point:
Breath is pre-social, pre-totemic, pre-faith, pre-religious, pre-ideology, pre-Hindu.
Breath is evidential, it is observable in all organisms and the natural world. We can be in AWE of Breath, that one shared attribute of the universe, and we can do that, think that, feel that, without Faith, without beliefs.
Awe is possible without Faith or Belief, which in any case it precedes.
Breath precedes Awe!
I, a breather have Awe but not Faith or Belief, especially of the type that is "control"-led and prescribed by the HAF, or the mulla, or the papist, or the BJP,or the RSS, or the Bajrang Dal.
That is why no group can lay claim to breath. They cannot own it. Therefore they cannot own yoga, a manner of thoughtful, reflective Breath
Subhash, you have stated you are a Hindu, whatever that may be.
I support your stated belief, and it is true you do not need my support for your belief but I offer it anyway.
I only claim I am a breather -- and even that will cease!
Or take another form that nonone, nobody can "own" "brand" "control"
Best,
Chithra
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