My NYT Comment #485.
EthicalDemocracy
New York City
October 9th, 2009
8:36 am
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The 2009 Nobel WAR Prize
Hope at least some will protest to the the Nobel Committee for awarding the Nobel PEACE Prize to a man who is waging war in South Asia. Obama didn't earn it, he does not deserve it.
Hope loses. Hype wins.
Outrageous. Herring laced with "realpolitik."
Svenska Freds President Anna Ek is right. "Shameful and counterproductive" (see her statement below)
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October 10th, 2009
My NYT comment #220October 9, 2009, 5:02 pm
EthicalDemocracy
New York City
12:13 pm
Not Either/Or, but BOTH. It will help and it will hurt.
But mostly the award has hurt the rest of the world's aspirants involved in peacework.
1. Norway was ethically remiss in giving the Peace Prize to Obama. He does not deserve it, he did not earn it. By their own admission the Nobel Committee members played "realpolitik' with the award.
Can something good come out of something bad? Yeah perhaps, sometimes. But overall, Ethical Means Result in Ethical Ends.
Of course, we can't blame Obama for winning and then accepting, though he could have declined it. Like Le Duc Tho of Vietnam.
But we can blame the Nobel Committee for playing dirty politics with the award, and pretending they did a good thing. It's a travesty of authentic peace efforts. It devalues the award itself.
This infamous announcement sets up a negative spiral of derisive questioning about the award, awardee and future peace aspirants. It denigrates the urgent and noble work of peace and peace workers.
Q. Who will the next awardee be?
Q. The anti-Obama? Q.
Just as this one is the anti-Bush?
Q.When actually Bush and Obama are pretty much the same in terms the actual WAR strategy, are they not?
2. A majority of ordinary people opposed giving the prize to Obama, if comments on numerous sites in Europe and The Global South are any indication.
3. The Taliban or Al Queda are particularly impressed, yeah right. It probably will encourage them and their numerous sympathizers. They actually have a point. The US is in their country, and the US has done more damage than they have, Taliban and al Queda combined.
4. Certain Global South nation-states rightly see the award as adding fuel to their already oppositional anti-US sentiments (which are justified). That will spell trouble for the US for a long time to come, beyond the Obama presidency.
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Gandhi Wuz Robbed
By MAUREEN DOWD
Two former presidents hash out, and bond over, who should have been candidates for the Nobel Peace Prize.
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My NY Times #216.
EthicalDemocracy
New York City
October 11th, 2009
12:27 pm
Dowd's Surgical Strike
Thrust and parry, all in the right places. Nice work, Maureen.
Except the wisecrack about Gandhiji that you put in W's mouth.
Gandhi once said, when asked about his meeting at Buckingham Palace with King George VI, who as usual was dripping ermine and diamonds (stolen from India) --
His Majesty was wearing enough for both of us.
Now this MTV-style Emperor in the White House is wearing nothing at all -- except the 2009 Nobel War Prize, thanks to Norway, herring laced with 'realpolitik'
Chithra KarunaKaran
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In a surprise, Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize
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2009 Nobel Peace Prize goes to President Obama
By KARL RITTER and MATT MOORE, Associated Press Writers
OSLO – President Barack Obama won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize on Friday in a stunning decision designed to encourage his initiatives to reduce nuclear arms, ease tensions with the Muslim world and stress diplomacy and cooperation rather than unilateralism.
Nobel observers were shocked by the unexpected choice so early in the Obama presidency, which began less than two weeks before the Feb. 1 nomination deadline.
White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Obama woke up to the news a little before 6 a.m. EDT. The White House had no immediate comment on the announcement, which took the administration by surprise.
The Norwegian Nobel Committee decided not to inform Obama before the announcement because it didn't want to wake him up, committee chairman Thorbjoern Jagland said.
"Waking up a president in the middle of the night, this isn't really something you do," Jagland said.
The Nobel Committee lauded the change in global mood wrought by Obama's calls for peace and cooperation but recognized initiatives that have yet to bear fruit: reducing the world stock of nuclear arms, easing American conflicts with Muslim nations and strengthening the U.S. role in combating climate change.
"Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future," Jagland said.
Obama's election and foreign policy moves caused a dramatic improvement in the image of the U.S. around the world. A 25-nation poll of 27,000 people released in July by the Pew Global Attitudes Project found double-digit boosts to the percentage of people viewing the U.S. favorably in countries around the world. That indicator had plunged across the world under President George W. Bush.
Still, the U.S. remains at war in Iraq and Afghanistan, the U.S. Congress has yet to pass a law reducing carbon emissions and there has been little significant reduction in global nuclear stockpiles since Obama took office.
"So soon? Too early. He has no contribution so far. He is still at an early stage. He is only beginning to act," said former Polish President Lech Walesa, a 1983 Nobel Peace laureate.
"This is probably an encouragement for him to act. Let's see if he perseveres. Let's give him time to act," Walesa said.
The award appeared to be a slap at Bush from a committee that harshly criticized Obama's predecessor for his largely unilateral military action in the wake of the Sept. 11 terror attacks. The Nobel committee praised Obama's creation of "a new climate in international politics" and said he had returned multilateral diplomacy and institutions like the U.N. to the center of the world stage.
"You have to remember that the world has been in a pretty dangerous phase," Jagland said. "And anybody who can contribute to getting the world out of this situation deserves a Nobel Peace Prize."
Unlike the other Nobel Prizes, which are awarded by Swedish institutions, the peace prize is given out by a five-member committee elected by the Norwegian Parliament. Like the Parliament, the committee has a leftist slant, with three members elected by left-of-center parties. Jagland said the decision to honor Obama was unanimous.
Archbishop Desmond Tutu of South Africa, who won the prize in 1984, said Obama's award shows great things are expected from him in coming years.
"It's an award coming near the beginning of the first term of office of a relatively young president that anticipates an even greater contribution towards making our world a safer place for all," Tutu said. "It is an award that speaks to the promise of President Obama's message of hope."
Until seconds before the award, speculation had focused on a wide variety of candidates besides Obama: Zimbabwe's Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai, a Colombian senator, a Chinese dissident and an Afghan woman's rights activist, among others. The Nobel committee received a record 205 nominations for this year's prize, though it was not immediately apparent who nominated Obama.
"The exciting and important thing about this prize is that it's given to someone ... who has the power to contribute to peace," Norwegian Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg said.
Obama is the third sitting U.S. president to win the award: President Theodore Roosevelt won in 1906 and President Woodrow Wilson was awarded the prize in 1919.
Wilson received the prize for his role in founding the League of Nations, the hopeful but ultimately failed precursor to the contemporary United Nations.
The Nobel committee chairman said after awarding the 2002 prize to former Democratic President Jimmy Carter, for his mediation in international conflicts, that it should be seen as a "kick in the leg" to the Bush administration's hard line in the buildup to the Iraq war.
Five years later, the committee honored Bush's adversary in the 2000 presidential election, Al Gore, for his campaign to raise awareness about global warming.
Obama was to meet with his top advisers on the Afghan war on Friday to consider a request by Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the U.S. commander in Afghanistan, to send as many as 40,000 more troops to Afghanistan as the U.S war there enters its ninth year.
Obama ordered 21,000 additional troops to Afghanistan earlier this year and has continued the use of unmanned drones for attacks on militants in Afghanistan and Pakistan, a strategy devised by the Bush administration. The attacks often kill or injure civilians living in the area.
In July talks in Moscow, Obama and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev agreed that their negotiators would work out a new limit on delivery vehicles for nuclear warheads of between 500 and 1,100. They also agreed that warhead limits would be reduced from the current range of 1,700-2,200 to as low as 1,500. The United States now as about 2,200 such warheads, compared to about 2,800 for the Russians.
But there has been no word on whether either side has started to act on the reductions.
Former Peace Prize winner Mohamed ElBaradei, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna, said Obama has already provided outstanding leadership in the effort to prevent nuclear proliferation.
"In less than a year in office, he has transformed the way we look at ourselves and the world we live in and rekindled hope for a world at peace with itself," ElBaradei said. "He has shown an unshakeable commitment to diplomacy, mutual respect and dialogue as the best means of resolving conflicts."
Obama also has attempted to restart stalled talks between the Israelis and Palestinians, but just a day after Obama hosted the Israeli and Palestinian leaders in New York, Israeli officials boasted that they had fended off U.S. pressure to halt settlement construction. Moderate Palestinians said they felt undermined by Obama's failure to back up his demand for a freeze.
Nominators for the prize include former laureates; current and former members of the committee and their staff; members of national governments and legislatures; university professors of law, theology, social sciences, history and philosophy; leaders of peace research and foreign affairs institutes; and members of international courts of law.
The Nelson Mandela Foundation welcomed the award on behalf of its founder Nelson Mandela, who shared the 1993 Peace Prize with then-South African President F.W. DeKlerk for their efforts at ending years of apartheid and laying the groundwork for a democratic country.
"We trust that this award will strengthen his commitment, as the leader of the most powerful nation in the world, to continue promoting peace and the eradication of poverty," the foundation said.
In his 1895 will, Alfred Nobel stipulated that the peace prize should go "to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between the nations and the abolition or reduction of standing armies and the formation and spreading of peace congresses."
The committee has taken a wide interpretation of Nobel's guidelines, expanding the prize beyond peace mediation to include efforts to combat poverty, disease and climate change.
Associated Press writers Ian MacDougall in Oslo, Celean Jacobson in Johannesburg, George Jahn in Vienna and Monika Scislowska in Warsaw, Poland contributed to this report.
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Swedish Peace President Anna Ek:
"Utnämningen av Obama är skamlig och motverkar sitt syfte"
"The appointment of Obama's shameful and counterproductive"
Publicerad: 2009-10-09, Uppdaterad: 2009-10-09 Published: 2009-10-09, Updated: 2009-10-09
USA bedriver idag krig på flera håll i världen och uppfattas av många som en extremt negativ kraft. USA Today carries on war in several parts of the world and is perceived by many as an extremely negative effect. För att göra sig förtjänt av världens förnämsta fredspris borde man i rimlighetens namn också leva upp till ett antal normer som resten av världen anser vara viktiga, skriver Svenska Freds och Skiljedomsföreningens ordförande ANNA EK.
To earn the world's finest Peace Prize should be reasonable if the name also meet a number of standards as the rest of the world considers important, writes the Swedish Peace and Arbitration Society President Anna Ek.
Om författaren About the author
Anna Ek är ordförande i Svenska Freds och Skiljedomsföreningen.
Anna Ek is chairman of the Swedish Peace and Arbitration Society.
Norska Nobelkommitten har tappat greppet. Utnämningen av Obama är skamlig och motverkar sitt syfte. Norwegian Nobel Committee has lost grip.
The appointment of Obama's shameful and counterproductive.
USA spenderar årligen 600 miljarder amerikanska dollar på sina militära styrkor. United States annually spends 600 billion U.S. dollars on its military forces.
Det utgör hälften av världens samlade militära utgifter.
It represents half of total world military spending.
USA innehar idag 2700 av världens 8000 kärnvapenstridsspetsar.
U.S. holds today in 2700 the world's 8000 nuclear warheads.
I dagsläget bedriver USA två krig där tusentals civila dödas varje år.
If the current situation carries on the U.S. two wars in which thousands of civilians are killed each year.
Senast i förra veckan kom nya rapporter på hur civila dödats av flygstridskrafter och andra offensiva delar av det amerikanska kriget mot terrorismen
i Afghanistan, operation Enduring Freedom. By last week came new reports of how civilians killed by air power and other offensive parts of the U.S. war on terror in Afghanistan, Operation Enduring Freedom.
Obama må vara en bättre president än George W Bush.
Obama may be a better president than George W. Bush. Men det kvalificerar knappast någon till att per automatik få världens finaste fredsutmärkelse.
But it hardly qualifies one to automatically get the world's finest peace prize. Utmärkelsen säger en hel del om hur mycket krig Nobelkommittén tycker är okej för att fortfarande ses som en fredshjälte.
This award says a lot about how much war the Nobel committee thinks is okay, to still be regarded as a peace hero.
Kommitteén tycks premiera retorik snarare än faktisk handling.
Kommitteér seems to reward rhetoric rather than actual deeds.
Tänk om litteratur- eller medicinpriset skulle fungerat på samma sätt.
Think about literature or medicinpriset would work the same way.
"Hej, jag lovar att fixa ett vaccin mot HIV till nästa år". "Hey, I promise to get a vaccine against HIV by next year."
"Jag kommer inom en snar framtid skriva en ny klassiker".
"I will shortly write a new classic."
Det är givetvis glädjande att Obama tar steg i rätt riktning på många områden.
It is certainly encouraging that Obama is taking steps in the right direction in many areas.
Ett sådant är skrinläggandet av planerna på en kärnvapensköld baserad i Europa, samt de nedrustningsinitiativ han har tagit.
Such as the cry submission of plans for a missile shield based in Europe, as well as the disarmament initiatives he has taken.
Men detta är trots allt små steg och än så länge mest retorik. But this is, after all, small steps and so far mostly rhetoric. Därmed riskerar Nobelkommitteen att faktiskt devalvera fredsprisets värde.
Result is likely Nobel Committee Teem to actually devalue the peace prize value.
Vi tyckte att det var nog magstarkt att ge priset till en tidigare amerikansk vice president, bara för att han sade det självklara, när Al Gore för två år sedan fick dela priset med FN:s klimatpanel.
We thought it was bit rich enough to give the prize to former U.S. Vice President, just because he said the obvious, when Al Gore two years ago had to share prize with UN climate panel.
Den norska Nobelkommitten vill antagligen sända en signal som stödjer den positiva retorik Obama gett uttryck för.
The Norwegian Nobel Committee would probably send a signal that supports the positive rhetoric, Obama has expressed.
Samtidigt måste man fråga sig om världen i övrigt ser samma sak.
At the same time one has to ask whether the world at large sees the same thing.
USA bedriver idag krig på flera håll i världen och uppfattas av många som en extremt negativ kraft.
USA Today carries on war in several parts of the world and is perceived by many as an extremely negative effect.
För att göra sig förtjänt av världens förnämsta fredspris borde man i rimlighetens namn också leva upp till ett antal normer som resten av världen anser vara viktiga. To earn the world's finest Peace Prize should be reasonable in the name also meet a number of standards as the rest of the world considers important.
USA har inte ratificerat den internationella brottmålsdomstolen ICC för lagföring av krigsförbrytare, USA har inte skrivit
under U.S. has not ratified the International Criminal Court ICC for prosecution of war criminals, the U.S. has not signed
Ottawakonventionen som förbjuder landminor eller konventionen som förbjuder klustervapen. Ottawa Convention banning landmines or convention banning cluster munitions. USA står för hälften av medlemstaternas skulder till FN, i USA:s fall 1,5 miljarder dollar, vapenexporten från USA har ökat under den senaste valperioden och president Obama har nyligen backat från sitt tidigare löfte att ge Guantanamo-fångarna civila rättegångar.
U.S. accounts for half of the Member States' debts to the UN, the U.S., from 1.5 billion U.S. dollars, arms exports from the United States has increased during the last presidential election and Obama has recently backed down from his earlier promise to give Guantanamo detainees civil lawsuits.
Det borde finnas en del för Obama själv att bocka av innan han kommer på fråga.
There should be a part of Obama himself to check off before he comes to question. Och har Nobelkommittén rentav gjort honom en björntjänst?
And the Nobel Committee actually done him a disservice?
USA är center för många positiva krafter inom människorätts- och fredsområdet. U.S. Centers for many positive forces in human rights and peace zone. Varför inte uppmärksamma dessa aktivister och aktörer istället?
Why not pay attention to these activists and actors instead? Human Rights Watch är en av världens främsta människorättsorganisationer som årligen avslöjar grova missförhållanden världen över.
Human Rights Watch is one of the world's foremost human rights organizations that annually reveals serious abuses worldwide. Organisationen hade varit en utmärkt amerikansk mottagare av Nobels fredspris.
The organization would have been an excellent American recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize.
Frågan är vem som kan komma på tal i framtiden. The question is who might apply in the future. Det känns just nu som att ribban sänkts rejält.
It feels right now as to the bar been lowered substantially.
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Facts about the Nobel Peace Prize
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Following are some facts about the Nobel Peace Prize:
* The 2009 winner was selected from a record 205 nominees.
* The 2009 prize was awarded to US President Barack Obama for his efforts "to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples".
* Mother Teresa refused to attend a Nobel dinner in Oslo when she went to collect her prize in 1979, saying the money would be better spent on the poor. The banquet was cancelled.
* The International Committee of the Red Cross is the most successful winner, with prizes in 1917, 1944 and 1963. Red Cross founder Henri Dunant of Switzerland shared the first award in 1901.
* Protesters threw snowballs at the US ambassador in Oslo when he arrived to collect the 1973 prize on behalf of Secretary of State Henry Kissinger for brokering an unsuccessful deal to end the Vietnam war. North Vietnamese negotiator Le Duc Tho turned down the joint award, the most controversial in the prize's history.
* Past nominees have included Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler and Soviet dictator Josef Stalin .
* Hitler banned Germans from accepting Nobel prizes in disgust after the 1935 award went to pacifist anti-Nazi writer Carl von Ossietzky. The ruling affected three German scientists awarded prizes for chemistry and medicine in the late 1930s.
* The 2008 prize was won by Martti Ahtisaari, the former Finnish president, for his efforts on several continents and over more than three decades to resolve international conflicts.
* The 2007 prize was won by former US Vice-President Al Gore and the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change for raising awareness of the risks of global warming.
* The 2006 Peace Prize was won by Bangladeshi economist Mohammad Yunus and the Grameen Bank he founded for their work to help millions out of poverty by granting tiny loans, pioneering a global movement known as microcredit.
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By WALTER GIBBS and ALAN COWELL
In a surprise move, the Nobel Committee honored President Obama less than a year after his election “for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples.”
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INTELLIGENT US Generals -- Oxymoron Or Just Plain Moron?
My NYTimes Comment #123.
EthicalDemocracy
New York City
October 8th, 2009
9:20 am
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EthicalDemocracy
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October 8th, 2009
8:50 am
Is an intelligent US General an oxymoron -- or just a Moron?
"President Obama’s national security team is arguing that the Afghan Taliban don’t pose a direct threat to the U.S." says this NYTimes article.
Can these generals, or anyone else, tell the difference between The Afghan Taliban, Pakistan Taliban, Al Queda and various other discontented and violent mainstream and fringe groups? Do they swipe their IDs at The Pentagon?
It defies reason for US generals to argue that the Taliban do not target US and US-led NATO. Have you seen NATO supply convoy trucks burning (and their artillery supplies probably confiscated) in the media pics?
Let me try to use logical reasoning here:
The US is targeting the Taliban.
The US is droning the heck out of Afghan civilians, killing an occasional unproven \"militant.\" who before the 1980's was just a resident of a locality in Afghanistan or Pakistan.
So esteemed generals with blood dripping from your hands, who would the Afghan Taliban target in retaliation? Afghan goats?
Now let us use the evidence to reason further:
Every Terror Attack in West Asia or South Asia Leads Back To the criminal US, sometimes in tandem with client states or extra-state actors, with the US exercising control over these alliances.
The US is actually responsible for all the terror attacks against its simultaneous occupations of parts of West Asia and South Asia.
Don't blame ISI, Taliban or Al AlQaeda. Did they exist before the US began to meddle, infiltrate West Asia and South Asia?
Pakistan was subjugated by the US Department of State beginning in the early 50's.
The US trained the Mujahideen during the Cold War that the US INVENTED to bring down the USSR. Today, those Mujahideen that Ronald Reagan praised are the Taliban. I don't think Obama is capable of learning any lessons from his predecessors, except to emulate their policy. He is as white as they are. And oh yes, i did vote for Obama becoz I thought he was a lesser evil than the McCain-Palin team. Wrong!
Yes, each terror entity named above should be brought to Justice -- at the same time the US govt. stands accused before the International Criminal Court.
Chithra Karunakaran
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
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By PETER BAKER and ERIC SCHMITT
President Obama’s national security team is arguing that the Afghan Taliban don’t pose a direct threat to the U.S.
EthicalDemocracy
New York City
October 8th, 2009
9:20 am
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EthicalDemocracy
New York City
October 8th, 2009
8:50 am
Is an intelligent US General an oxymoron -- or just a Moron?
"President Obama’s national security team is arguing that the Afghan Taliban don’t pose a direct threat to the U.S." says this NYTimes article.
Can these generals, or anyone else, tell the difference between The Afghan Taliban, Pakistan Taliban, Al Queda and various other discontented and violent mainstream and fringe groups? Do they swipe their IDs at The Pentagon?
It defies reason for US generals to argue that the Taliban do not target US and US-led NATO. Have you seen NATO supply convoy trucks burning (and their artillery supplies probably confiscated) in the media pics?
Let me try to use logical reasoning here:
The US is targeting the Taliban.
The US is droning the heck out of Afghan civilians, killing an occasional unproven \"militant.\" who before the 1980's was just a resident of a locality in Afghanistan or Pakistan.
So esteemed generals with blood dripping from your hands, who would the Afghan Taliban target in retaliation? Afghan goats?
Now let us use the evidence to reason further:
Every Terror Attack in West Asia or South Asia Leads Back To the criminal US, sometimes in tandem with client states or extra-state actors, with the US exercising control over these alliances.
The US is actually responsible for all the terror attacks against its simultaneous occupations of parts of West Asia and South Asia.
Don't blame ISI, Taliban or Al AlQaeda. Did they exist before the US began to meddle, infiltrate West Asia and South Asia?
Pakistan was subjugated by the US Department of State beginning in the early 50's.
The US trained the Mujahideen during the Cold War that the US INVENTED to bring down the USSR. Today, those Mujahideen that Ronald Reagan praised are the Taliban. I don't think Obama is capable of learning any lessons from his predecessors, except to emulate their policy. He is as white as they are. And oh yes, i did vote for Obama becoz I thought he was a lesser evil than the McCain-Palin team. Wrong!
Yes, each terror entity named above should be brought to Justice -- at the same time the US govt. stands accused before the International Criminal Court.
Chithra Karunakaran
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
http://EthicalDemocracy.blogspot.com
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Afghan War Debate Now Leans to Focus on Al QaedaBack to Article »
By PETER BAKER and ERIC SCHMITT
President Obama’s national security team is arguing that the Afghan Taliban don’t pose a direct threat to the U.S.
Every Terror Attack Leads Back To US
Every Terror attack leads back to US.
Don't blame ISI, Taliban or Al AlQaeda. Did they exist before the US began to meddle, infiltrate West Asia and South Asia?
Pakistan has been subjugated by the US Department of State since the early 50's.
Yes, each terror entity should be brought to Justice -- at the same time the US govt. stands accused before the International Criminal Court.
The US trained the Mujahideen during the Cold War that the US INVENTED to bring down the USSR. Today, they are the Taliban.
India should not have an embassy in Kabul -- hospitals, schools, yes, embassy NO.
Does India have an embassy in Palestine? I didn't think so.
Chithra Karunakaran
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
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Don't blame ISI, Taliban or Al AlQaeda. Did they exist before the US began to meddle, infiltrate West Asia and South Asia?
Pakistan has been subjugated by the US Department of State since the early 50's.
Yes, each terror entity should be brought to Justice -- at the same time the US govt. stands accused before the International Criminal Court.
The US trained the Mujahideen during the Cold War that the US INVENTED to bring down the USSR. Today, they are the Taliban.
India should not have an embassy in Kabul -- hospitals, schools, yes, embassy NO.
Does India have an embassy in Palestine? I didn't think so.
Chithra Karunakaran
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
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Tuesday, October 6, 2009
South~South! A Salutation for Social Justice & Ethical Democracy
South~South! (copyright)
Goats taught me Social Justice!
Culture-based curriculum is indispensable to ethical development throughout the Global South
I first experienced, on the ground in Srinagar, Kashmir, India the critical realization that Social Medicine is an essential person-centered, community-based strategy for prevention, amelioration, healing and wellness.
Where? Everywhere, but especially throughout the Global South. Especially for the economically disadvantaged for whom Poverty is a preventable Illness.
Garibon Ki Bimari, as one such economically disadvantaged, oppressed yet dignified person explained to me on Zero Bridge in Srinagar.
1. The livelihood security social justice approach to healing centers on patient self-diagnosis combined with the wise expertise of holistically trained doctors, constitutes an urgent priority throughout the Global South, where hunger, malnutrition cause a wide range of preventable physiological and psychological health problems.
Social Medicine as practiced by Dr. Arshad Arif and his colleagues is a way forward from Togo to Thalassery, Somalia to Srinagar.
2. Collecting data on INDIGENOUS CULTURAL KNOWLEDGES and developing a Taxonomy of Sustainable Indigenous Practices based on these studies can help us develop a template of wholly DO-ABLE projects that can have long term benefit throughout the Global South
South~South, (copyrighted) Everybody!
Dr. Chithra Karunakaran
City University of New York
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
http://EthicalDemocracy.blogspot.com
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Goats taught me Social Justice!
Culture-based curriculum is indispensable to ethical development throughout the Global South
I first experienced, on the ground in Srinagar, Kashmir, India the critical realization that Social Medicine is an essential person-centered, community-based strategy for prevention, amelioration, healing and wellness.
Where? Everywhere, but especially throughout the Global South. Especially for the economically disadvantaged for whom Poverty is a preventable Illness.
Garibon Ki Bimari, as one such economically disadvantaged, oppressed yet dignified person explained to me on Zero Bridge in Srinagar.
1. The livelihood security social justice approach to healing centers on patient self-diagnosis combined with the wise expertise of holistically trained doctors, constitutes an urgent priority throughout the Global South, where hunger, malnutrition cause a wide range of preventable physiological and psychological health problems.
Social Medicine as practiced by Dr. Arshad Arif and his colleagues is a way forward from Togo to Thalassery, Somalia to Srinagar.
2. Collecting data on INDIGENOUS CULTURAL KNOWLEDGES and developing a Taxonomy of Sustainable Indigenous Practices based on these studies can help us develop a template of wholly DO-ABLE projects that can have long term benefit throughout the Global South
South~South, (copyrighted) Everybody!
Dr. Chithra Karunakaran
City University of New York
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
http://EthicalDemocracy.blogspot.com
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Wednesday, September 30, 2009
Restraint & Containment Against 'Terror'
My NYT Comment #103.
http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytimes.com/2009/09/30/world/asia/30mumbai.html?sort=oldest&offset=5
EthicalDemocracy
New York City
September 30th, 2009
9:52 am
EthicalDemocracy
New York City
September 30th, 2009
5:34 am
Restraint & Containment against LeT
India has followed a policy of Restraint and Containment against the LeT, JuD, LeJ and other Terror (yes NYTimes Terrorist, not Militant) Groups operating from bases in Pakistan.
This continues to be the wisest and most astute policy. Slow and steady wins the race. Attrition is better than the nuclear non-option.
While this policy of restraint and containment is frustrating to hawks in the Indian establishment, as well as within India's aggrieved polity, the ground reality for the past 60+ years is that the REGION of South Asia has functioned as a theatre for various conflicts --
1. The Cold War that the US invented and deployed mainly in Eastern Europe against the Soviets but fought on the ground in Afghanistan. The US trained and deployed the Mujahideen that partly now is the Taliban and provided a training ground for Al Qaeda.
So did the US create Al Qaeda? Hmmmmm...er, yes.
And let's not forget the US-Saudi nexus in West Asia (aka the \"Middle East\") and in Afghanistan.
2. The US subjugation of Pakistan as part of State Department policy beginning in the '50s.
3. Various internal factionalist/separatist movements WITHIN India, Pakistan, Bangladesh Sri Lanka, and Nepal in which terror is an instrument.
4. The US has sought and succeeded in gaining \"strategic depth\"
in the western part of South Asia. The US presence and its hold on Pakistan will continue to destabilize any confidence-building measures undertaken by India and Pakistan.
Within this context, India must continue to practice Restraint while proactively containing Terror.
How?
Through implementing Social Justice within her borders, while deploying the most effective and proven intelligence at her disposal to keep Pak-based terror out.
India is cognizant of the US menace in South Asia. The US is a state sponsor of Terror.
Pakistan is also cognizant of the US menace but her successive governments have been too weak to act, either against her own US-trained ISI or to call for the US to desist. US 'aid' is too attractive to Pakistan's military-feudal-terror complex.
The bottom line is ordinary Indians and Pakistanis are sisters and brothers.
They are not terrorists.
Restraint & Containment make practical sense in ETHICAL Democracy, which is a wholly attainable ideal for India's civil society and for the Greater Collective Good (GCG) for ALL of South Asia's fragile, yet resilient civil societies.
Satyameva Jayate.
Chithra KarunaKaran
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
http://EthicalDemocracy.blogspot.com
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/30/world/asia/30mumbai.html?_r=1
Network of Militants Is Robust After Mumbai Siege
By LYDIA POLGREEN and SOUAD MEKHENNET
Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba has persisted, even flourished, since 10 recruits killed 163 people in a rampage through India’s financial capital.
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http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytimes.com/2009/09/30/world/asia/30mumbai.html?sort=oldest&offset=5
EthicalDemocracy
New York City
September 30th, 2009
9:52 am
EthicalDemocracy
New York City
September 30th, 2009
5:34 am
Restraint & Containment against LeT
India has followed a policy of Restraint and Containment against the LeT, JuD, LeJ and other Terror (yes NYTimes Terrorist, not Militant) Groups operating from bases in Pakistan.
This continues to be the wisest and most astute policy. Slow and steady wins the race. Attrition is better than the nuclear non-option.
While this policy of restraint and containment is frustrating to hawks in the Indian establishment, as well as within India's aggrieved polity, the ground reality for the past 60+ years is that the REGION of South Asia has functioned as a theatre for various conflicts --
1. The Cold War that the US invented and deployed mainly in Eastern Europe against the Soviets but fought on the ground in Afghanistan. The US trained and deployed the Mujahideen that partly now is the Taliban and provided a training ground for Al Qaeda.
So did the US create Al Qaeda? Hmmmmm...er, yes.
And let's not forget the US-Saudi nexus in West Asia (aka the \"Middle East\") and in Afghanistan.
2. The US subjugation of Pakistan as part of State Department policy beginning in the '50s.
3. Various internal factionalist/separatist movements WITHIN India, Pakistan, Bangladesh Sri Lanka, and Nepal in which terror is an instrument.
4. The US has sought and succeeded in gaining \"strategic depth\"
in the western part of South Asia. The US presence and its hold on Pakistan will continue to destabilize any confidence-building measures undertaken by India and Pakistan.
Within this context, India must continue to practice Restraint while proactively containing Terror.
How?
Through implementing Social Justice within her borders, while deploying the most effective and proven intelligence at her disposal to keep Pak-based terror out.
India is cognizant of the US menace in South Asia. The US is a state sponsor of Terror.
Pakistan is also cognizant of the US menace but her successive governments have been too weak to act, either against her own US-trained ISI or to call for the US to desist. US 'aid' is too attractive to Pakistan's military-feudal-terror complex.
The bottom line is ordinary Indians and Pakistanis are sisters and brothers.
They are not terrorists.
Restraint & Containment make practical sense in ETHICAL Democracy, which is a wholly attainable ideal for India's civil society and for the Greater Collective Good (GCG) for ALL of South Asia's fragile, yet resilient civil societies.
Satyameva Jayate.
Chithra KarunaKaran
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
http://EthicalDemocracy.blogspot.com
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/30/world/asia/30mumbai.html?_r=1
Network of Militants Is Robust After Mumbai Siege
By LYDIA POLGREEN and SOUAD MEKHENNET
Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba has persisted, even flourished, since 10 recruits killed 163 people in a rampage through India’s financial capital.
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Monday, September 28, 2009
Democracy Gets a Modest Boost in Zimbabwe
My NYT Comment#1(expanded for blog)
EthicalDemocracy
New York City
September 28th, 2009
10:04 am
(wow, its Yom Kippur so only 3 comments, with no more accepted
Now you know who the majority of NYTimes writers and readers are :)
In contrast a whole slew of article about sanctions against Iran, and Iran's testing of missiles)
That's Power in action)
http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytimes.com/2009/09/29/world/africa/29zimbabwe.html
EthicalDemocracy
New York City
September 28th, 2009
9:37 am
Mugabe's got to demonstrate that democracy does not include holding office for life, by stepping down, getting out. Who is he, Gaddafi? Hilariously unsuitable role model.
This is not at all to say that Mugabe has not done his share to free Zimbabwe, erstwhile Rhodesia, because he has.
Mugabe has tried to wrest the most fertile, productive, wealth-producing lands from white settlers who made huge profits for decades, on the backs of indigenous Black Africans, during the long period of Brit colonialism.
Settler colonies had a more intransigent and entrenched white settler/farmer/wealth base and in Rhodesia Ian Smith led the settlers in consolidating their power against the African nationalists like Sithole and Mugabe.
I remember reading about ZANU as a schoolgirl in Kolkata. If Ihad been born and raised in the US, I would probably have been kept ignorant about the African nationalist struggle against the minority landholding whites led by Smith.
Land reform and land redistribution are still at the heart of Z's economic inequities, now compounded by pervasive official corruption, as in many postcolonial democracies.
Again, as in many democracies of the Global South, Z's Supreme Court has been sporadically proactive and upheld universal human rights and the rule of law.
Kudos also go to LHR Lawyers for Human Rights, they made the case for human rights which includes freedom of speech -- and Democracy won. So of course, did civil society. So of course did the individual in civil society. Democracy, civil society and the individual are inextricably interconnected. Nice work, Z.
So-called Powersharing with the opposition's Tsvangirai is not enough, cosmetic powersharing is a travesty of the election process and an insult to the long- suffering people of Z.
The UNHR Council is now deliberating in Geneva and those meetings will end October 2, with a Resolution of some sort.
Jestina Mukoko's release is most heartening and not a nano second too soon. Her capture and torture must result in the humane interrogation and suitable punishment of her oppressors who are in truth the oppressors of Zimbabwe's fragile but resilient democracy.
Mukoko's courage and dignity are an inspiration.
Chithra Karunakaran
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
http://EthicalDemocracy.blogspot.com
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NYTimes Copyright
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/29/world/africa/29zimbabwe.html?ref=global-home
Zimbabwe Court Frees Rights Activist
The decision of the country’s supreme court to release Jestina Mukoko represents a rare triumph for human rights activists in Zimbabwe.
By BARRY BEARAK
Published: September 28, 2009
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copyright
http://www.newzimbabwe.com/pages/mawere72.16305.html
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EthicalDemocracy
New York City
September 28th, 2009
10:04 am
(wow, its Yom Kippur so only 3 comments, with no more accepted
Now you know who the majority of NYTimes writers and readers are :)
In contrast a whole slew of article about sanctions against Iran, and Iran's testing of missiles)
That's Power in action)
http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytimes.com/2009/09/29/world/africa/29zimbabwe.html
EthicalDemocracy
New York City
September 28th, 2009
9:37 am
Mugabe's got to demonstrate that democracy does not include holding office for life, by stepping down, getting out. Who is he, Gaddafi? Hilariously unsuitable role model.
This is not at all to say that Mugabe has not done his share to free Zimbabwe, erstwhile Rhodesia, because he has.
Mugabe has tried to wrest the most fertile, productive, wealth-producing lands from white settlers who made huge profits for decades, on the backs of indigenous Black Africans, during the long period of Brit colonialism.
Settler colonies had a more intransigent and entrenched white settler/farmer/wealth base and in Rhodesia Ian Smith led the settlers in consolidating their power against the African nationalists like Sithole and Mugabe.
I remember reading about ZANU as a schoolgirl in Kolkata. If Ihad been born and raised in the US, I would probably have been kept ignorant about the African nationalist struggle against the minority landholding whites led by Smith.
Land reform and land redistribution are still at the heart of Z's economic inequities, now compounded by pervasive official corruption, as in many postcolonial democracies.
Again, as in many democracies of the Global South, Z's Supreme Court has been sporadically proactive and upheld universal human rights and the rule of law.
Kudos also go to LHR Lawyers for Human Rights, they made the case for human rights which includes freedom of speech -- and Democracy won. So of course, did civil society. So of course did the individual in civil society. Democracy, civil society and the individual are inextricably interconnected. Nice work, Z.
So-called Powersharing with the opposition's Tsvangirai is not enough, cosmetic powersharing is a travesty of the election process and an insult to the long- suffering people of Z.
The UNHR Council is now deliberating in Geneva and those meetings will end October 2, with a Resolution of some sort.
Jestina Mukoko's release is most heartening and not a nano second too soon. Her capture and torture must result in the humane interrogation and suitable punishment of her oppressors who are in truth the oppressors of Zimbabwe's fragile but resilient democracy.
Mukoko's courage and dignity are an inspiration.
Chithra Karunakaran
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
http://EthicalDemocracy.blogspot.com
----------------------------------------
NYTimes Copyright
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/29/world/africa/29zimbabwe.html?ref=global-home
Zimbabwe Court Frees Rights Activist
The decision of the country’s supreme court to release Jestina Mukoko represents a rare triumph for human rights activists in Zimbabwe.
By BARRY BEARAK
Published: September 28, 2009
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copyright
http://www.newzimbabwe.com/pages/mawere72.16305.html
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Sunday, September 27, 2009
Who Nuked Innocent Civilians?
My NYTimes Comment #55.
http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytimes.com/2009/10/02/world/middleeast/02nuke.html?sort=oldest&offset=3
EthicalDemocracy
New York City
October 1st, 2009
6:58 pm
EthicalDemocracy
New York City
October 1st, 2009
5:23 pm
\"Iran Agrees to More Nuclear Talks With U.S. and Allies\"
It's commendable that Iran is trying to defuse the heated and aggressive response by the sanctions-crazy US.
Hey let's not lose sight of the fact that BOTH Israel and the US have their nuclear stockpiles. So of course Iran must have nukes too.
Why not?
I totally agree with India's position: The International Nuclear Order cannot be discriminatory. That statement recognizes Iran's quandary and is implicit support for Iran. India has steadfastly refused to become a signatory of NPT, while maintaining an impeccable non-proliferation record.
I didn't see that extremely well-reasoned position reported in the NYTimes or any US mainstream newspaper. .
What Iran needs to figure out now is how to strategically withdraw from the NPT, without the US going totally nuts and invading Iran, OR sending in the CIA to destabilize Iran as the US did with the popularly elected Mossadegh government in the early '50s
Chithra KarunaKaran
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
http://EthicalDemocracy.blogspot.com
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NYTimes copyright
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/02/world/middleeast/02nuke.htmlIran Agrees to More Nuclear Talks With U.S. and AlliesBack to Article »
By STEVEN ERLANGER and MARK LANDLER
The talks in Geneva on Thursday included the highest-level bilateral discussions between the United States and Iran in many years.
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My NYT Comment #18.
http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytimes.com/2009/09/27/world/middleeast/27nuke.html?sort=oldest
EthicalDemocracy
New York City
September 27th, 2009
11:19 am
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EthicalDemocracy
New York City
September 27th, 2009
10:20 am
U.S. to Demand Inspection of New Iran Plant ‘Within Weeks’
How about:
U.S. to Demand Inspection of ISRAEL Nuclear Plant[S] ‘Within Weeks’
Now that would be eminently newsworthy. That's the only \"roadmap\" that makes sense to me.
Addl notes: the US wd not dare to mess with India coz we are the world's largest democracy and we simply wont let you. We are not a signatory to the NPT. We did not make that mistake.
And the US is not calling for inspection of Pakistan's nukes, coz Pak will not let you either, Pak is also not a signatory to NPT. SmartPak, despite subjugation by the US since the 1950's.
Unfortunately Iran signed on to NPT in 1970 under duress while US was blatantly interfering in Iran's domestic political affairs. Now Iran has to time its strategic withdrawal from NPT.
So long as US and Israel have nukes, Iran must have them too.
Let us never forget that the US is the ONLY country in the world that has actually used nukes against innocent civilians.
I like to base my opinions on hard evidence. Show me new evidence and I'll readily modify my opinion.
Chithra KarunaKaran
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
http://EthicalDemocracy.blogspot.com
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NYTimes copyright
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/27/world/middleeast/27nuke.html
U.S. to Demand Inspection of New Iran Plant ‘Within Weeks’
By DAVID E. SANGER and WILLIAM J. BROAD
The Obama administration plans to tell Iran this week that it must soon open a newly revealed nuclear enrichment site to international inspectors, according to senior officials.
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http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytimes.com/2009/10/02/world/middleeast/02nuke.html?sort=oldest&offset=3
EthicalDemocracy
New York City
October 1st, 2009
6:58 pm
EthicalDemocracy
New York City
October 1st, 2009
5:23 pm
\"Iran Agrees to More Nuclear Talks With U.S. and Allies\"
It's commendable that Iran is trying to defuse the heated and aggressive response by the sanctions-crazy US.
Hey let's not lose sight of the fact that BOTH Israel and the US have their nuclear stockpiles. So of course Iran must have nukes too.
Why not?
I totally agree with India's position: The International Nuclear Order cannot be discriminatory. That statement recognizes Iran's quandary and is implicit support for Iran. India has steadfastly refused to become a signatory of NPT, while maintaining an impeccable non-proliferation record.
I didn't see that extremely well-reasoned position reported in the NYTimes or any US mainstream newspaper. .
What Iran needs to figure out now is how to strategically withdraw from the NPT, without the US going totally nuts and invading Iran, OR sending in the CIA to destabilize Iran as the US did with the popularly elected Mossadegh government in the early '50s
Chithra KarunaKaran
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
http://EthicalDemocracy.blogspot.com
----------------------------------------
NYTimes copyright
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/02/world/middleeast/02nuke.htmlIran Agrees to More Nuclear Talks With U.S. and AlliesBack to Article »
By STEVEN ERLANGER and MARK LANDLER
The talks in Geneva on Thursday included the highest-level bilateral discussions between the United States and Iran in many years.
---------------------------------------------
My NYT Comment #18.
http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytimes.com/2009/09/27/world/middleeast/27nuke.html?sort=oldest
EthicalDemocracy
New York City
September 27th, 2009
11:19 am
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EthicalDemocracy
New York City
September 27th, 2009
10:20 am
U.S. to Demand Inspection of New Iran Plant ‘Within Weeks’
How about:
U.S. to Demand Inspection of ISRAEL Nuclear Plant[S] ‘Within Weeks’
Now that would be eminently newsworthy. That's the only \"roadmap\" that makes sense to me.
Addl notes: the US wd not dare to mess with India coz we are the world's largest democracy and we simply wont let you. We are not a signatory to the NPT. We did not make that mistake.
And the US is not calling for inspection of Pakistan's nukes, coz Pak will not let you either, Pak is also not a signatory to NPT. SmartPak, despite subjugation by the US since the 1950's.
Unfortunately Iran signed on to NPT in 1970 under duress while US was blatantly interfering in Iran's domestic political affairs. Now Iran has to time its strategic withdrawal from NPT.
So long as US and Israel have nukes, Iran must have them too.
Let us never forget that the US is the ONLY country in the world that has actually used nukes against innocent civilians.
I like to base my opinions on hard evidence. Show me new evidence and I'll readily modify my opinion.
Chithra KarunaKaran
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
http://EthicalDemocracy.blogspot.com
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NYTimes copyright
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/27/world/middleeast/27nuke.html
U.S. to Demand Inspection of New Iran Plant ‘Within Weeks’
By DAVID E. SANGER and WILLIAM J. BROAD
The Obama administration plans to tell Iran this week that it must soon open a newly revealed nuclear enrichment site to international inspectors, according to senior officials.
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Saturday, September 26, 2009
G-20 Showcases Priorities of Previously Oppressed Economies [POE]
G-20 Showcases Priorities of Previously Oppressed Economies (POE)
The US and Europe still consider themselves to be the center of the universe.
Sorry the G-20 is not your uncle's G-8!
There is an emerging World Economic Order dynamic that is NOT made up exclusively of the former colonial powers, and neo-imperial states like the US continue to destabilize the emerging world order.
This Times article focuses on what the US and Europe's leaders say. Is that important? Not so much.
It is China, India, Brazil and others who are calling the tune.
Their comments and concerns should have been more comprehensively reported. The Times should not be serving as a mouthpiece for the power who caused the economic downturn in the first place.
Your reporter's job is to provide fair and balanced reporting that presents concerns and priorities of ALL the G-20 members, not just the G-8.
Suck it up, get over it, there is a power shift, the world is multipolar and the G-20 like the G-77 are part of the global shift towards social justice. The G-8 deserves to become obsolete.
Now if we could also do away with the UNSC..... abandon all efforts to expand it, as Brazil and India regrettably want to do.
The UN General Assembly consisting of ALL member states should cast votes on regional and global security issues, not the US-Euro-led UNSC, or any expanded form of the UN IN-SECURITY COUNCIL.
Chithra KarunaKaran
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
http://EthicalDemocracy.blogspot.com
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New York Times copyright
Group of 20 Agrees on Far-Reaching Economic Plan
By EDMUND L. ANDREWS
Published: September 25, 2009
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/26/world/26summit.html
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The Hindu copyright
http://www.hindu.com/2009/09/26/stories/2009092661421000.htm
So is G20 the new G8? Not quite
by Siddharth Varadarajan
Pittsburgh: The White House describes it as part of the process of “creating a 21st century international economic architecture” and analysts around the world have already hailed the G20 as the worthy successor to the G8 group of leading industrial economies. But when the hype from Pittsburgh settles, one thing is clear: the absence of political coherence in the larger group of 20 means the group of eight will remain a useful platform for the United States to try and forge a common stand on key strategic issues, even if the G20 assumes the mantle of global economic stewardship that the smaller, more exclusive group can no longer credibly or effectively discharge.
“Dramatic changes in the world economy have not always been reflected in the global architecture for economic cooperation,” a White House statement released shortly after President Barack Obama hosted a banquet for G20 leaders here on Thursday night. “This all started to change today … [as] leaders endorsed the G20 as the premier forum for their international economic cooperation. This decision brings to the table the countries needed to build a stronger, more balanced global economy, reform the financial system and lift the lives of the poorest,” the statement somewhat grandiosely asserted.
At the time of going to press, the G20’s final communiqué had not yet been released, though key elements of the U.S. formulation are believed to have been incorporated. The communiqué is also likely to endorse the continuation of global stimulus measures, the need for rebalancing consumption and savings in major economies, better financial regulation, as well as tying the remuneration of international bankers to the adherence of their banks to prudential norms.
For the U.S., Europe and Japan, the G20 is a better forum to accommodate the rising aspirations of Brazil, Russia, India and China than the G8 because the majority of the larger group still consists of Western, OECD countries. A truly representative G8, on the other hand, would give the BRIC nations a collective voice roughly equal to the four largest Western economies.
The G20 brings for the U.S. an added advantage: the presence of China and India helps blunt the opposition of Europe to certain structural adjustments in the management of the world economy that America, on balance, favours, such as a change in the composition of the IMF board. Since Europe has a disproportionate presence, reducing its representation there in order to make way for the emerging economies is a low-cost way of getting the latter to support wider U.S.-led initiatives. But on political issues like nonproliferation, the G20 would never allow the U.S. the kind of latitude it enjoys at the G8, despite the presence of Russia in the smaller grouping.
How does the size of the high table matter? A senior Indian official involved in the climate change issue told The Hindu that the presence of a large Western group which already has many of its positions worked out means a country like India is always forced to go in batting on the back foot.
Traditionally, India has tended to serve as the bellwether for developing country positions on a wide range of issues. India works well with G77-plus-China and is able to leverage this wider alliance during multilateral negotiations. But in forums like the G20, the West fights back with formulations that seek to chip away at the developing country consensus. This might be harder to do in a smaller setting like a truly representative G8 or even the G8 plus Outreach-5, where India and China do not have to raise their voice in order to be heard.
A case in point is climate change, where the U.S., and to a lesser extent Europe and Japan, have simply refused to implement the prescribed norms of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change for binding emission cuts. Yet, in the run-up to the Pittsburgh summit, India and China, which have taken on voluntary mitigation targets, found themselves under pressure in the G20 to “do more.”
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Times of India copyright
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/world/us/International-nuclear-order-cannot-be-discriminatory-India/articleshow/5062591.cms
UNITED NATIONS: India today welcomed the renewed global push for achieving a world free of atomic weapons but underlined that the international
nuclear order cannot be "discriminatory".
"India attaches the highest priority to the goal of nuclear disarmament and has an impeccable non-proliferation record. We welcome the renewed global debate on achieving a world free of nuclear weapons," External Affairs Minister S M Krishna said while addressing the 64th session of the United Nations here.
"The international nuclear order cannot be discriminatory. Further, States must fulfil the obligations they have undertaken," he said in the backdrop of pressures on non-NPT signatories to join the pact. India is not a signatory to the NPT yet.
The United Nations Security Council resolution piloted by US President Barack Obama this week asked all non-NPT signatories to join the treaty as non-nuclear weapon states but India, which views the treaty as flawed and discriminatory, has refused to accept it.
However, Krishna said India was committed to a voluntary and unilateral moratorium on nuclear testing.
"We remained committed to a voluntary, unilateral moratorium on nuclear testing," he said, adding that India will continue to engage with key countries to garner greater international understanding to achieve nuclear disarmament.
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The US and Europe still consider themselves to be the center of the universe.
Sorry the G-20 is not your uncle's G-8!
There is an emerging World Economic Order dynamic that is NOT made up exclusively of the former colonial powers, and neo-imperial states like the US continue to destabilize the emerging world order.
This Times article focuses on what the US and Europe's leaders say. Is that important? Not so much.
It is China, India, Brazil and others who are calling the tune.
Their comments and concerns should have been more comprehensively reported. The Times should not be serving as a mouthpiece for the power who caused the economic downturn in the first place.
Your reporter's job is to provide fair and balanced reporting that presents concerns and priorities of ALL the G-20 members, not just the G-8.
Suck it up, get over it, there is a power shift, the world is multipolar and the G-20 like the G-77 are part of the global shift towards social justice. The G-8 deserves to become obsolete.
Now if we could also do away with the UNSC..... abandon all efforts to expand it, as Brazil and India regrettably want to do.
The UN General Assembly consisting of ALL member states should cast votes on regional and global security issues, not the US-Euro-led UNSC, or any expanded form of the UN IN-SECURITY COUNCIL.
Chithra KarunaKaran
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
http://EthicalDemocracy.blogspot.com
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New York Times copyright
Group of 20 Agrees on Far-Reaching Economic Plan
By EDMUND L. ANDREWS
Published: September 25, 2009
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/26/world/26summit.html
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The Hindu copyright
http://www.hindu.com/2009/09/26/stories/2009092661421000.htm
So is G20 the new G8? Not quite
by Siddharth Varadarajan
Pittsburgh: The White House describes it as part of the process of “creating a 21st century international economic architecture” and analysts around the world have already hailed the G20 as the worthy successor to the G8 group of leading industrial economies. But when the hype from Pittsburgh settles, one thing is clear: the absence of political coherence in the larger group of 20 means the group of eight will remain a useful platform for the United States to try and forge a common stand on key strategic issues, even if the G20 assumes the mantle of global economic stewardship that the smaller, more exclusive group can no longer credibly or effectively discharge.
“Dramatic changes in the world economy have not always been reflected in the global architecture for economic cooperation,” a White House statement released shortly after President Barack Obama hosted a banquet for G20 leaders here on Thursday night. “This all started to change today … [as] leaders endorsed the G20 as the premier forum for their international economic cooperation. This decision brings to the table the countries needed to build a stronger, more balanced global economy, reform the financial system and lift the lives of the poorest,” the statement somewhat grandiosely asserted.
At the time of going to press, the G20’s final communiqué had not yet been released, though key elements of the U.S. formulation are believed to have been incorporated. The communiqué is also likely to endorse the continuation of global stimulus measures, the need for rebalancing consumption and savings in major economies, better financial regulation, as well as tying the remuneration of international bankers to the adherence of their banks to prudential norms.
For the U.S., Europe and Japan, the G20 is a better forum to accommodate the rising aspirations of Brazil, Russia, India and China than the G8 because the majority of the larger group still consists of Western, OECD countries. A truly representative G8, on the other hand, would give the BRIC nations a collective voice roughly equal to the four largest Western economies.
The G20 brings for the U.S. an added advantage: the presence of China and India helps blunt the opposition of Europe to certain structural adjustments in the management of the world economy that America, on balance, favours, such as a change in the composition of the IMF board. Since Europe has a disproportionate presence, reducing its representation there in order to make way for the emerging economies is a low-cost way of getting the latter to support wider U.S.-led initiatives. But on political issues like nonproliferation, the G20 would never allow the U.S. the kind of latitude it enjoys at the G8, despite the presence of Russia in the smaller grouping.
How does the size of the high table matter? A senior Indian official involved in the climate change issue told The Hindu that the presence of a large Western group which already has many of its positions worked out means a country like India is always forced to go in batting on the back foot.
Traditionally, India has tended to serve as the bellwether for developing country positions on a wide range of issues. India works well with G77-plus-China and is able to leverage this wider alliance during multilateral negotiations. But in forums like the G20, the West fights back with formulations that seek to chip away at the developing country consensus. This might be harder to do in a smaller setting like a truly representative G8 or even the G8 plus Outreach-5, where India and China do not have to raise their voice in order to be heard.
A case in point is climate change, where the U.S., and to a lesser extent Europe and Japan, have simply refused to implement the prescribed norms of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change for binding emission cuts. Yet, in the run-up to the Pittsburgh summit, India and China, which have taken on voluntary mitigation targets, found themselves under pressure in the G20 to “do more.”
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Times of India copyright
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/world/us/International-nuclear-order-cannot-be-discriminatory-India/articleshow/5062591.cms
UNITED NATIONS: India today welcomed the renewed global push for achieving a world free of atomic weapons but underlined that the international
nuclear order cannot be "discriminatory".
"India attaches the highest priority to the goal of nuclear disarmament and has an impeccable non-proliferation record. We welcome the renewed global debate on achieving a world free of nuclear weapons," External Affairs Minister S M Krishna said while addressing the 64th session of the United Nations here.
"The international nuclear order cannot be discriminatory. Further, States must fulfil the obligations they have undertaken," he said in the backdrop of pressures on non-NPT signatories to join the pact. India is not a signatory to the NPT yet.
The United Nations Security Council resolution piloted by US President Barack Obama this week asked all non-NPT signatories to join the treaty as non-nuclear weapon states but India, which views the treaty as flawed and discriminatory, has refused to accept it.
However, Krishna said India was committed to a voluntary and unilateral moratorium on nuclear testing.
"We remained committed to a voluntary, unilateral moratorium on nuclear testing," he said, adding that India will continue to engage with key countries to garner greater international understanding to achieve nuclear disarmament.
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Thursday, September 24, 2009
GOATS -- for Social Justice
The Goat Narrative seems to be gaining ground, clambering into ethical spaces in some of the most conflicted and battle-weary war zones of South Asia.
Kashmir and Kandahar (and several hundred villages in between), would benefit from a few thousand extra goats.
Homegrown goats from across South Asia and perhaps a nice Goat Exchange set up with our sisters and brothers in sovereign nation-states in the previously colonized and still oppressed Global South. Indonesia, Africa, Ecuador.
We need Goats instead of Drones.
Let those US generals and US-led NATO European occupiers, chew on that.
Let Obama ruminate.
Goats have work to do. Peacework. Pro-Poor development.
This past summer I volunteered in Srinagar with an innovative Social Medicine project called PACE -- Prevention & Care for Everyone. The founder-director a serene,intense,dedicated Kashmiri doctor who had quit his safe government job to directly offer care to persons suffering from symptoms related to depression, post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), as well as drug related problems,
told me a Goat story.
One day, Dr. Arshad Arif was treating an elderly woman patient. She suddenly asked him:
"CAN YOU GET ME A GOAT?"
Is anyone listening to this innocent casualty of terror, violence, hunger and deprivation?
What is she telling us?
That she is fully capable of self-diagnosis. She doesn't really need a doctor to tell her what's wrong with her.
She knows what ails her. What has made her mentally ill is a cruel denial of livelihood opportunity.
If she has a goat, a goat will give her milk that she can sell to her neighbors and the money earned will give her a chance to feed herself and her family.
She will walk around while tending her goat and the very act of walking will take her outdoors with something safe and productive to do.
The very act of walking will kick in her endorphins, lessening her pain and despair, and lifting her depressive symptoms.
She wants to be an entrepreneur. She wants to be self employed and earn a living.
Who's listening?
She wants to be well and knows exactly how to get well.
She's basically saying Don't get my Goat. Just give me one.
Or two.
Or three.
Throw in some sheep to optimize sustainability.
Over in Afghanistan the Goat narrative has been repeated many times over. (see link below)
Who's listening?
Goats for PEACE of MIND.
Goats for a PIECE of the Rock, A Slice of the Pie.
Goats for SOCIAL JUSTICE.
Chithra KarunaKaran
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
http://EthicalDemocracy.blogspot.com
-------------------------------------------------
NYTimes copyright
Read the link below to understand why the US govt will probably NEVER get it right in South Asia. Unless they give up their loose-cannon, control-freak , extremely profitable, expanionist, militaristic mindset.
In this article, the author, a US soldier,(read his bio below) collects powerful factual data from a local Afghan elder. He then proceeds to DRAW the WRONG CONCLUSION, based upon the US IDEOLOGY OF GLOBAL DOMINANCE.
I have bolded passages in the NYTimes text, adding my own emphasis, to refute the soldier's NYTimes article and instead, make the case for SOCIAL JUSTICE. (CKK)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/21/fending-off-failure-in-afghanistan/?scp=1&sq=Goats%20Afghanistan&st=cse
VIOLENCE is the preferred(read -- most lucrative)option of the US in South Asia.
The sooner WE THE PEOPLE of the sovereign nation-states of South Asia recognize this on-the-ground proven fact, the better for us all in South Asia.
Our own homegrown so-called leaders in South Asia just don't get it, so it is up to WE the PEOPLE of South Asia, working TOGETHER.
Sorry James Morin, Goats and Drones just don't go together. Goats and Troops don't go together. Goats and deadly Firepower don't go together.
Morin, You just don't get it and neither does the government you purport to represent.
I am a voter too and I vote for Social Justice and against Profit-making Violence.
I Vote for Goats.
Chithra KarunaKaran
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
http://EthicalDemocracy.blogspot.com
-------------------------------------
Patience and Staying Power
James Morin
James Morin, an attorney and a former captain in the U.S. Army, has served in Iraq and Afghanistan. He is a fellow with the Truman National Security Project. (a paid propagandist proxy of the US govt, my note ckk).
Morin:
Reading General McChrystal’s long-awaited assessment on Afghanistan this morning, my thoughts were pulled back to the frustrating time I spent there as an infantry platoon leader in 2003, and how much our military has learned since then.
In addition to more ground troops, military trainers and civilian experts, we might need some goats.
I remember my first mission in particular, a patrol to a small village of goat-herders, a stone’s throw from Pakistan. Upon arrival we accepted the elder’s invitation to tea. Eager to curry favor with the residents (and learn the whereabouts of the local Taliban), we asked if there was anything the village needed: school supplies, food, medicine.
One elder stroked his long, white beard and responded, “We would like a pair of American goats.”
We chuckled about the similarity to the old adage about giving a man a fish, and then off-loaded thousands of dollars of packaged food and coloring books. To my knowledge, we never gained any intelligence from that village. But then again, we didn’t have enough troops to go back and ask.
So went the remainder of my tour. We hunted the Taliban and Al Qaeda, but we didn’t spend much time listening to and acting upon what the people of Afghanistan needed. General McChrystal seems poised to change this focus to one which “is credible to, and sustainable by, the Afghans.”
With new training manuals, revamped schooling and six years of experience in Iraq and Afghanistan, our military is well-schooled in the art of counter-insurgency. They now have a strategy to match. But winning, as the assessment makes clear, will require protecting the populace — not just from militants, but from disease, hunger and ignorance as well. Yes, this will require more ground units, more military trainers as well as more civilian experts in governance and economic development. Perhaps, it will even require goats. But more important, this new strategy will require patience. We will only win if we show that we are not just passing through Afghanistan.
Note: Parts of Morin's bio are self-explanatory
Jim Morin is an attorney in the Project & International Finance Group at Hogan & Hartson LLP, where he has worked on a variety of projects involving renewable energy, infrastructure as well as financing both profitable and nonprofit development activities in a wide variety of countries including Iraq, Liberia, Afghanistan, Ghana and Turkey. He has published work on the financing constraints facing renewable energy projects.
Prior to graduating Georgetown University Law Center, Jim served for 6 years as an officer in the U.S. Army, including tours in Afghanistan and Iraq as an Infantry Platoon Leader in the 82nd Airborne Division. He also served as a Company Commander in the 3d U.S. Infantry Regiment, The Old Guard (the Escort to the President). He has also served two years in the Virginia National Guard, with a mission focus on homeland security in the National Capitol Region. He was twice awarded the Bronze Star Medal for Exceptional Service in Combat. He is a 2001 graduate of the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, where he majored in military history, focusing on counter-insurgency and low-intensity conflict. During the Obama campaign Jim served as a Director of Virginia Veterans for Obama.
Jim lives in Herndon, Virginia with his wife and four children.
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ATTRA/NCAT copyright
Goats and Sustainability
(this is my content title, read more on their website. ckk)
http://www.attra.ncat.org/who.html
===================================================================================
Kashmir and Kandahar (and several hundred villages in between), would benefit from a few thousand extra goats.
Homegrown goats from across South Asia and perhaps a nice Goat Exchange set up with our sisters and brothers in sovereign nation-states in the previously colonized and still oppressed Global South. Indonesia, Africa, Ecuador.
We need Goats instead of Drones.
Let those US generals and US-led NATO European occupiers, chew on that.
Let Obama ruminate.
Goats have work to do. Peacework. Pro-Poor development.
This past summer I volunteered in Srinagar with an innovative Social Medicine project called PACE -- Prevention & Care for Everyone. The founder-director a serene,intense,dedicated Kashmiri doctor who had quit his safe government job to directly offer care to persons suffering from symptoms related to depression, post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), as well as drug related problems,
told me a Goat story.
One day, Dr. Arshad Arif was treating an elderly woman patient. She suddenly asked him:
"CAN YOU GET ME A GOAT?"
Is anyone listening to this innocent casualty of terror, violence, hunger and deprivation?
What is she telling us?
That she is fully capable of self-diagnosis. She doesn't really need a doctor to tell her what's wrong with her.
She knows what ails her. What has made her mentally ill is a cruel denial of livelihood opportunity.
If she has a goat, a goat will give her milk that she can sell to her neighbors and the money earned will give her a chance to feed herself and her family.
She will walk around while tending her goat and the very act of walking will take her outdoors with something safe and productive to do.
The very act of walking will kick in her endorphins, lessening her pain and despair, and lifting her depressive symptoms.
She wants to be an entrepreneur. She wants to be self employed and earn a living.
Who's listening?
She wants to be well and knows exactly how to get well.
She's basically saying Don't get my Goat. Just give me one.
Or two.
Or three.
Throw in some sheep to optimize sustainability.
Over in Afghanistan the Goat narrative has been repeated many times over. (see link below)
Who's listening?
Goats for PEACE of MIND.
Goats for a PIECE of the Rock, A Slice of the Pie.
Goats for SOCIAL JUSTICE.
Chithra KarunaKaran
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
http://EthicalDemocracy.blogspot.com
-------------------------------------------------
NYTimes copyright
Read the link below to understand why the US govt will probably NEVER get it right in South Asia. Unless they give up their loose-cannon, control-freak , extremely profitable, expanionist, militaristic mindset.
In this article, the author, a US soldier,(read his bio below) collects powerful factual data from a local Afghan elder. He then proceeds to DRAW the WRONG CONCLUSION, based upon the US IDEOLOGY OF GLOBAL DOMINANCE.
I have bolded passages in the NYTimes text, adding my own emphasis, to refute the soldier's NYTimes article and instead, make the case for SOCIAL JUSTICE. (CKK)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/21/fending-off-failure-in-afghanistan/?scp=1&sq=Goats%20Afghanistan&st=cse
VIOLENCE is the preferred(read -- most lucrative)option of the US in South Asia.
The sooner WE THE PEOPLE of the sovereign nation-states of South Asia recognize this on-the-ground proven fact, the better for us all in South Asia.
Our own homegrown so-called leaders in South Asia just don't get it, so it is up to WE the PEOPLE of South Asia, working TOGETHER.
Sorry James Morin, Goats and Drones just don't go together. Goats and Troops don't go together. Goats and deadly Firepower don't go together.
Morin, You just don't get it and neither does the government you purport to represent.
I am a voter too and I vote for Social Justice and against Profit-making Violence.
I Vote for Goats.
Chithra KarunaKaran
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
http://EthicalDemocracy.blogspot.com
-------------------------------------
Patience and Staying Power
James Morin
James Morin, an attorney and a former captain in the U.S. Army, has served in Iraq and Afghanistan. He is a fellow with the Truman National Security Project. (a paid propagandist proxy of the US govt, my note ckk).
Morin:
Reading General McChrystal’s long-awaited assessment on Afghanistan this morning, my thoughts were pulled back to the frustrating time I spent there as an infantry platoon leader in 2003, and how much our military has learned since then.
In addition to more ground troops, military trainers and civilian experts, we might need some goats.
I remember my first mission in particular, a patrol to a small village of goat-herders, a stone’s throw from Pakistan. Upon arrival we accepted the elder’s invitation to tea. Eager to curry favor with the residents (and learn the whereabouts of the local Taliban), we asked if there was anything the village needed: school supplies, food, medicine.
One elder stroked his long, white beard and responded, “We would like a pair of American goats.”
We chuckled about the similarity to the old adage about giving a man a fish, and then off-loaded thousands of dollars of packaged food and coloring books. To my knowledge, we never gained any intelligence from that village. But then again, we didn’t have enough troops to go back and ask.
So went the remainder of my tour. We hunted the Taliban and Al Qaeda, but we didn’t spend much time listening to and acting upon what the people of Afghanistan needed. General McChrystal seems poised to change this focus to one which “is credible to, and sustainable by, the Afghans.”
With new training manuals, revamped schooling and six years of experience in Iraq and Afghanistan, our military is well-schooled in the art of counter-insurgency. They now have a strategy to match. But winning, as the assessment makes clear, will require protecting the populace — not just from militants, but from disease, hunger and ignorance as well. Yes, this will require more ground units, more military trainers as well as more civilian experts in governance and economic development. Perhaps, it will even require goats. But more important, this new strategy will require patience. We will only win if we show that we are not just passing through Afghanistan.
Note: Parts of Morin's bio are self-explanatory
Jim Morin is an attorney in the Project & International Finance Group at Hogan & Hartson LLP, where he has worked on a variety of projects involving renewable energy, infrastructure as well as financing both profitable and nonprofit development activities in a wide variety of countries including Iraq, Liberia, Afghanistan, Ghana and Turkey. He has published work on the financing constraints facing renewable energy projects.
Prior to graduating Georgetown University Law Center, Jim served for 6 years as an officer in the U.S. Army, including tours in Afghanistan and Iraq as an Infantry Platoon Leader in the 82nd Airborne Division. He also served as a Company Commander in the 3d U.S. Infantry Regiment, The Old Guard (the Escort to the President). He has also served two years in the Virginia National Guard, with a mission focus on homeland security in the National Capitol Region. He was twice awarded the Bronze Star Medal for Exceptional Service in Combat. He is a 2001 graduate of the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, where he majored in military history, focusing on counter-insurgency and low-intensity conflict. During the Obama campaign Jim served as a Director of Virginia Veterans for Obama.
Jim lives in Herndon, Virginia with his wife and four children.
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ATTRA/NCAT copyright
Goats and Sustainability
(this is my content title, read more on their website. ckk)
http://www.attra.ncat.org/who.html
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Tuesday, September 22, 2009
The Debacle Decades: US and NATO in South Asia
My NYTimes #62. October 3, 2009 10:01 am Link
When US MEDIA becomes part of the US WAR Machine
The language deployed by the NYTimes reporters, as well as the language of the US war apparatus etc are EQUALLY troubling. They are similar. They became embedded in the US War Machine in West Asia in Iraq and now they are in South Asia Afghanistan and Pakistan
“Chosen” Company? That should go down really well with the Afghans, just about as well as it would be received in Gaza.
A “hostile frontier village” in Eastern Afghanistan, writes Thom Shanker. Who is the hostile entity? the people who live there or the US and US-led NATO who are droning and killing?
I could go on and on. picking examples out of both Shanker’s reporting as well as the document on the Wanat Battle.
“Winning” is now being being cosmetically configured to fool the US public. No point trying to fool the Afghans. History shows they don’t tolerate occupiers. Your firepower is nothing compared with their staying power.
In fact, many thousands of NYTimes readers over the past several months have questioned what the US military means when they use the word “win.”
McChrystal and his propagandists undoubtedly are Times readers,. They see there is tremendous US public opposition to the Army’s notion of “winning” in Afghanistan.
The Army understands that our unemployed and underemployed, our millions wihout healthcare and our tens of thousands saddled with foreclosures, think that "winning" is not warfare in South Asia but means — bring the troops home NOW.
McChrystal and his hawks are incapable of learning any new lesson in Afghanistan, despite their claims of lesson learned from Wanat. Why? Because the US military premise is mistaken.
The US does not have any role in Afghanistan except at the negotiating table and in humanitarian efforts to undo the damage already caused by US/NATO deadly use of firepower.
Http://EthicalDemocracy.blogspot.com
GOATS — for Social Justice article
— Chithra KarunaKaran
-------------------
NYTimes copyright
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/03/world/asia/03battle.html?ref=global-home
Report Cites Firefight as Lesson on Afghan War
By THOM SHANKER
Published: October 2, 2009
Wanat Battle Cited as Lesson in Afghan War
By The New York Times
My NYTimes Comment # 46. September 22, 2009 8:46 am Link
The military presence of the US and US-led NATO is a continuing mis-step by the West in the South Asia region.
The US created the Taliban who once were the Mujahideen, that the US paid and trained in their invented Cold War against the Soviets.
If history is any guide the Afghans will continue to be unassailable.
Unfortunately the US has (temporarily) gained what is has sought -- strategic depth in South Asia. The US has accomplished this mainly through a long (since the early 50's) subjugation of a weakened post-Partition Pakistan.
It will be a while before South Asia's sovereign nation-states can muster the solidarity needed to kick the US and NATO out of the region.
We South Asians are not there yet for reasons of our own long oppression under Brit colonialism.
Our own postcolonial dependency mindset, manipulated by our own homegrown political, military and feudal elites,
prevents us in South Asia from freeing South Asia from the US and Europe.
The Debacle Decades are with us at this time.
-----------
My comment to the NYTimes Public Editor
Should'nt NYTimes Readers know who "The Editors" are? (see link below)
Today's Room for Debate is written by "The Editors"
"The Editors" reads like a subterfuge for some paleo-policy with a distinct subtext, which i prefer not to name,in response to your own chosen anonymity.
Where's the transparency?
Where's the authentic Room or Debate?
Who are (the white males?) with AIPAC creds.(?) who wrote it?
--
Chithra KarunaKaran
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
http://EthicalDemocracy.blogspot.com
===========================
----------------------------------------------------
http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/21/fending-off-failure-in-afghanistan/#comment-157167
NYTimes copyright
September 21, 2009, 7:06 pm
Fending Off Failure in Afghanistan
By The Editors
When US MEDIA becomes part of the US WAR Machine
The language deployed by the NYTimes reporters, as well as the language of the US war apparatus etc are EQUALLY troubling. They are similar. They became embedded in the US War Machine in West Asia in Iraq and now they are in South Asia Afghanistan and Pakistan
“Chosen” Company? That should go down really well with the Afghans, just about as well as it would be received in Gaza.
A “hostile frontier village” in Eastern Afghanistan, writes Thom Shanker. Who is the hostile entity? the people who live there or the US and US-led NATO who are droning and killing?
I could go on and on. picking examples out of both Shanker’s reporting as well as the document on the Wanat Battle.
“Winning” is now being being cosmetically configured to fool the US public. No point trying to fool the Afghans. History shows they don’t tolerate occupiers. Your firepower is nothing compared with their staying power.
In fact, many thousands of NYTimes readers over the past several months have questioned what the US military means when they use the word “win.”
McChrystal and his propagandists undoubtedly are Times readers,. They see there is tremendous US public opposition to the Army’s notion of “winning” in Afghanistan.
The Army understands that our unemployed and underemployed, our millions wihout healthcare and our tens of thousands saddled with foreclosures, think that "winning" is not warfare in South Asia but means — bring the troops home NOW.
McChrystal and his hawks are incapable of learning any new lesson in Afghanistan, despite their claims of lesson learned from Wanat. Why? Because the US military premise is mistaken.
The US does not have any role in Afghanistan except at the negotiating table and in humanitarian efforts to undo the damage already caused by US/NATO deadly use of firepower.
Http://EthicalDemocracy.blogspot.com
GOATS — for Social Justice article
— Chithra KarunaKaran
-------------------
NYTimes copyright
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/03/world/asia/03battle.html?ref=global-home
Report Cites Firefight as Lesson on Afghan War
By THOM SHANKER
Published: October 2, 2009
Wanat Battle Cited as Lesson in Afghan War
By The New York Times
My NYTimes Comment # 46. September 22, 2009 8:46 am Link
The military presence of the US and US-led NATO is a continuing mis-step by the West in the South Asia region.
The US created the Taliban who once were the Mujahideen, that the US paid and trained in their invented Cold War against the Soviets.
If history is any guide the Afghans will continue to be unassailable.
Unfortunately the US has (temporarily) gained what is has sought -- strategic depth in South Asia. The US has accomplished this mainly through a long (since the early 50's) subjugation of a weakened post-Partition Pakistan.
It will be a while before South Asia's sovereign nation-states can muster the solidarity needed to kick the US and NATO out of the region.
We South Asians are not there yet for reasons of our own long oppression under Brit colonialism.
Our own postcolonial dependency mindset, manipulated by our own homegrown political, military and feudal elites,
prevents us in South Asia from freeing South Asia from the US and Europe.
The Debacle Decades are with us at this time.
-----------
My comment to the NYTimes Public Editor
Should'nt NYTimes Readers know who "The Editors" are? (see link below)
Today's Room for Debate is written by "The Editors"
"The Editors" reads like a subterfuge for some paleo-policy with a distinct subtext, which i prefer not to name,in response to your own chosen anonymity.
Where's the transparency?
Where's the authentic Room or Debate?
Who are (the white males?) with AIPAC creds.(?) who wrote it?
--
Chithra KarunaKaran
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
http://EthicalDemocracy.blogspot.com
===========================
----------------------------------------------------
http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/21/fending-off-failure-in-afghanistan/#comment-157167
NYTimes copyright
September 21, 2009, 7:06 pm
Fending Off Failure in Afghanistan
By The Editors
Sunday, September 20, 2009
The Breath Eternal: Earliest Emotions in the Making of Democracy
Before Democracy there was AWE.
AWE was surely universal among beings self-ascribed as human.
AWE resided in the individual being before that AWE, felt by that being, was shared within the group.. The group became therefore the bearer of a collective Awe, on its way to develop Faith and Reason.
AWE likely existed before FAITH.
AWE precedes FAITH. AWE precedes REASON.
One may likely come to FAITH -- as a consequence of AWE.
Beings, many among us, come to faith, after AWE.
But EQUALLY, the one and the group may come to INQUIRY, DOUBT, SKEPTICISM and REASONED KNOWLEDGE as a consequence of AWE, instead of coming to FAITH.
FAITH and DOUBT are equal options, following upon AWE.
Faith is the prerequisite of Religion. Without Faith, continuing in Faith, a state of Faith, there can no Religion.
Doubt is the prerequisite of Science. Without Doubt, continuing Doubt, a state of Doubt, there can be no Science.
Faith requires Surrender, Science requires Doubt.
It was likely that within the group, not merely within the individual, that the notion of a shared universality of Breath was given shape and substance.
It was likely in the group that aggregated beings discovered the Breath Eternal. They came near to one another to collectively discover Breath.
What united them was Breath. What separated them from Death (known all too well among them) was Breath.
That each being, each one among them, shared Breath in common with all living others others and all of observable nature, was likely felt, noted and uttered.
The Breath Eternal likely became the basis of the social bond, Breath became the basis of community, Breath became the basis of endeavor to promote the well-being of the individual and the group, Breath became the ground of language, art and science.
In all instances, whenever or wherever Breath was perceived to be limited in scope, or adjudged to be possessed by few instead of ALL of Nature and the universe, Breath likely became deployed as the basis for violence and misery, injustice and want.
The Breath Eternal, from the earliest days of its acknowledgment, by individuals within groups, as part of the individual, as shared by the group and was universal, became the fountainhead for the making of Democracy.
AWE was surely universal among beings self-ascribed as human.
AWE resided in the individual being before that AWE, felt by that being, was shared within the group.. The group became therefore the bearer of a collective Awe, on its way to develop Faith and Reason.
AWE likely existed before FAITH.
AWE precedes FAITH. AWE precedes REASON.
One may likely come to FAITH -- as a consequence of AWE.
Beings, many among us, come to faith, after AWE.
But EQUALLY, the one and the group may come to INQUIRY, DOUBT, SKEPTICISM and REASONED KNOWLEDGE as a consequence of AWE, instead of coming to FAITH.
FAITH and DOUBT are equal options, following upon AWE.
Faith is the prerequisite of Religion. Without Faith, continuing in Faith, a state of Faith, there can no Religion.
Doubt is the prerequisite of Science. Without Doubt, continuing Doubt, a state of Doubt, there can be no Science.
Faith requires Surrender, Science requires Doubt.
It was likely that within the group, not merely within the individual, that the notion of a shared universality of Breath was given shape and substance.
It was likely in the group that aggregated beings discovered the Breath Eternal. They came near to one another to collectively discover Breath.
What united them was Breath. What separated them from Death (known all too well among them) was Breath.
That each being, each one among them, shared Breath in common with all living others others and all of observable nature, was likely felt, noted and uttered.
The Breath Eternal likely became the basis of the social bond, Breath became the basis of community, Breath became the basis of endeavor to promote the well-being of the individual and the group, Breath became the ground of language, art and science.
In all instances, whenever or wherever Breath was perceived to be limited in scope, or adjudged to be possessed by few instead of ALL of Nature and the universe, Breath likely became deployed as the basis for violence and misery, injustice and want.
The Breath Eternal, from the earliest days of its acknowledgment, by individuals within groups, as part of the individual, as shared by the group and was universal, became the fountainhead for the making of Democracy.
Thursday, September 17, 2009
No Star Wars in Czech Republic or Poland
My expanded NYTimes Comment #60.
EthicalDemocracy
New York City
September 17th, 2009
9:45 am
My expanded NYTimes Comment #
EthicalDemocracy
New York City
September 17th, 2009
9:48 am
Excellent -- the Poles and the Czechs got lucky. No Star Wars planned there.
Hope the President, whom I and the majority of the US electorate voted for, will re-think any attempt to tilt at windmills in Iran. Iran has a right to go nuclear and nobody can stop them. The US govt's Iran policy has a powerful lobby-backed pro-Zionist subtext. Give Peace and the Palestinians a chance.
Now can we do the entire South Asia region a favor and get the US and US-led NATO, the hell out of there too?
If history is any guide, the Afghans, can do that on their own, with no help from anyone.
Chithra KarunaKaran
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
http://EthicalDemocracy.blogspot.com
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White House to Scrap Bush’s Approach to Missile Shield
By PETER BAKER and NICHOLAS KULISH
The Obama administration plans to announce a reconfigured system that won’t be based in Poland or the Czech Republic, and will be aimed at intercepting Iranian missiles.
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EthicalDemocracy
New York City
September 17th, 2009
9:45 am
My expanded NYTimes Comment #
EthicalDemocracy
New York City
September 17th, 2009
9:48 am
Excellent -- the Poles and the Czechs got lucky. No Star Wars planned there.
Hope the President, whom I and the majority of the US electorate voted for, will re-think any attempt to tilt at windmills in Iran. Iran has a right to go nuclear and nobody can stop them. The US govt's Iran policy has a powerful lobby-backed pro-Zionist subtext. Give Peace and the Palestinians a chance.
Now can we do the entire South Asia region a favor and get the US and US-led NATO, the hell out of there too?
If history is any guide, the Afghans, can do that on their own, with no help from anyone.
Chithra KarunaKaran
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
http://EthicalDemocracy.blogspot.com
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White House to Scrap Bush’s Approach to Missile Shield
By PETER BAKER and NICHOLAS KULISH
The Obama administration plans to announce a reconfigured system that won’t be based in Poland or the Czech Republic, and will be aimed at intercepting Iranian missiles.
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Wednesday, September 16, 2009
Segregation vs. Social Justice in Democracy: The India Case
EthicalDemocracy
New York City
September 16th, 2009
4:23 am
My NYT Comment #75.
EthicalDemocracy
New York City
September 16th, 2009
8:39 am
Segregation vs. Social Justice in Democracy: The India Case
\"New Peace in commute\" for India's women? Your article illustrates the axiom -- No Justice No Peace.
Women-only commuter trains are an integral part of an adhoc, unequal, inadequate and functionally inequitable public transportation policy in Indian Democracy.
Gender segregation on public transportation reinforces the most negative aspects of India's powerfully entrenched patriarchy. Sequestered travel on a train to work is predictively unlikely to increase women's safety, or equal participation in India's democracy.
India's public transportation systems are grossly underfunded. This inequity punishes the poor, especially the poorest women. The nation's poorest women, don't get to ride these commuter trains. That structural inequity is the crux of the problem. In a nation-state that should be providing adequate public transportation for ALL, while making every attempt at a smaller carbon footprint, regardless of what the West does.
Finger-pointing at the West will not help Indians become more ecologically responsible or more socially just, as they attempt to meet their expanding transportation needs.
An Indian policy implementation of relentless attrition in funding, blatantly devalues PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION as a universal social good that should be intentionally deployed, through policy, by both the Centre and the States, as a powerful social leveler, in our unprecedented democratic civil society.
I travel to India twice a year every year (since 1999), spending a total of 5 months, every visit. Over this past summer, I traveled in Kerala, Tamil Nadu, Delhi, Jammu & Kashmir, logging thousands of miles and several days on trains and buses. That's democracy on wheels.
A woman, I travel alone in India, entirely by State public buses, state-run commuter trains and the Indian railways ((Second Class sleeper), refusing to use cars proffered by my middle class relatives. Any form of PUBLIC transport is acceptable to me.
Now that may appear eccentric or overly zealous but I am attempting, always in flawed fashion, to sincerely develop ethical practices of civic participation, in myself (no one else), within Indian democracy.
In my view, India cannot afford to produce, much less dispose, a paper cup, as millions carelessly do daily on the Indian trains, any more than India can afford to promote PRIVATE transportation over PUBLIC transportation. Mass Public Transit is a core social justice issue in India's current stage of development, right up there with food/water security, shelter, universal healthcare, universal primary/ secondary education, employment.
My Indian women and men co-travelers in Democracy, especially the burgeoning, heavily subsidized and bribegiving/bribetaking, complicit-in-corruption middle class, who are the main beneficiaries of the women-only commuter trains, can fight JOINTLY for adequate affordable PUBLIC transportation for ALL, instead of cynically choosing cars over buses and/or riding separately in trains.
Such vigorous civic participation would likely advance the Greater Collective Good (GCG), a wholly attainable ideal of ethical democracy.
Satyameva Jayate!
Chithra KarunaKaran
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
http://EthicalDemocracy.blogspot.com
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/world/asia/16ladies.html
On India’s Railways, Women Find New Peace in Commute
New York City
September 16th, 2009
4:23 am
My NYT Comment #75.
EthicalDemocracy
New York City
September 16th, 2009
8:39 am
Segregation vs. Social Justice in Democracy: The India Case
\"New Peace in commute\" for India's women? Your article illustrates the axiom -- No Justice No Peace.
Women-only commuter trains are an integral part of an adhoc, unequal, inadequate and functionally inequitable public transportation policy in Indian Democracy.
Gender segregation on public transportation reinforces the most negative aspects of India's powerfully entrenched patriarchy. Sequestered travel on a train to work is predictively unlikely to increase women's safety, or equal participation in India's democracy.
India's public transportation systems are grossly underfunded. This inequity punishes the poor, especially the poorest women. The nation's poorest women, don't get to ride these commuter trains. That structural inequity is the crux of the problem. In a nation-state that should be providing adequate public transportation for ALL, while making every attempt at a smaller carbon footprint, regardless of what the West does.
Finger-pointing at the West will not help Indians become more ecologically responsible or more socially just, as they attempt to meet their expanding transportation needs.
An Indian policy implementation of relentless attrition in funding, blatantly devalues PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION as a universal social good that should be intentionally deployed, through policy, by both the Centre and the States, as a powerful social leveler, in our unprecedented democratic civil society.
I travel to India twice a year every year (since 1999), spending a total of 5 months, every visit. Over this past summer, I traveled in Kerala, Tamil Nadu, Delhi, Jammu & Kashmir, logging thousands of miles and several days on trains and buses. That's democracy on wheels.
A woman, I travel alone in India, entirely by State public buses, state-run commuter trains and the Indian railways ((Second Class sleeper), refusing to use cars proffered by my middle class relatives. Any form of PUBLIC transport is acceptable to me.
Now that may appear eccentric or overly zealous but I am attempting, always in flawed fashion, to sincerely develop ethical practices of civic participation, in myself (no one else), within Indian democracy.
In my view, India cannot afford to produce, much less dispose, a paper cup, as millions carelessly do daily on the Indian trains, any more than India can afford to promote PRIVATE transportation over PUBLIC transportation. Mass Public Transit is a core social justice issue in India's current stage of development, right up there with food/water security, shelter, universal healthcare, universal primary/ secondary education, employment.
My Indian women and men co-travelers in Democracy, especially the burgeoning, heavily subsidized and bribegiving/bribetaking, complicit-in-corruption middle class, who are the main beneficiaries of the women-only commuter trains, can fight JOINTLY for adequate affordable PUBLIC transportation for ALL, instead of cynically choosing cars over buses and/or riding separately in trains.
Such vigorous civic participation would likely advance the Greater Collective Good (GCG), a wholly attainable ideal of ethical democracy.
Satyameva Jayate!
Chithra KarunaKaran
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
http://EthicalDemocracy.blogspot.com
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On India’s Railways, Women Find New Peace in Commute
Tuesday, September 15, 2009
Social Justice, Whiteness & Discursive Restraint: A Case Example in US Democracy
EthicalDemocracy
New York City
My NYTimes comment
September 17th, 2009
3:53 am
Comment #93.
EthicalDemocracy
New York City
September 17th, 2009
8:36 am
(scroll all referenced URLs below my comments)
Using RACE as a Political Weapon against We the People
President Obama is making the right decision by refusing to get drawn into the so-called race debate.
What debate? This is no debate. It is a cynical attempt, by some inside and outside Congress, to destroy healthcare reform.
It is WE the People who will pay the price, if healthcare reform is not enacted.
A majority of Republicans would like to USE RACE to scuttle Obama's healthcare agenda. That is what one Republican, Joe Wilson, did when he insulted the President, on primetime national TV in an unprecedented shoutout, inside Congress.
But here's the issue. Joe Wilson has the healthcare I want.
Both Clyburn and Carter EXPOSED Wilson and Co. and the hate agenda of some Americans both inside and outside Congress. Actually Maureen did it first. Dowd led the way.
Let us keep our Eyes on the Prize -- FAIR healthcare for ALL Americans, with no one left out.
Chithra KarunaKaran
Ethical Democracy as Lived Practice
http://EthicalDemocracy.blogspot.com
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My NYT Comment #132.
http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/opinion/16dowd.html?sort=oldest&offset=6
EthicalDemocracy
New York City
September 16th, 2009
12:07 pm
Joe Wilson, Republican of South Carolina shouts "You lie" on primetime national TV, to President Obama while Obama is addressing the joint session of Congress on his proposed Healthcare plan.
Wilson is White, Obama is Black.
Wilson is advised by some of his Republican colleagues to call Obama to "apologize".
Wilson calls the White House and conveys his apology to White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel. Emanuel informs Wilson his apology is "accepted" by the President.
The House of Representatives, controlled by Democrats, discusses and passes a Resolution of Disapproval on Wilson's accusation against the President
Former President Carter, white, male and Southern like Wilson, asserts that Congressman Wilson statement was "based on racism."
Wilson's performance of whiteness can be explained most comprehensively through the Theory of Systemic Whiteness. Without using a rigorous theoretical explanation, statements like Wilson's, as well as the statements and actions that follow, will continue to be seen as unusual, atypical, incidental. When viewed through the lens of Systemic Whiteness, we see race as performative and structural, indispensable to US civil society and its particular trajectory of democracy. We see whiteness as a system of Power exercised over unadmitted others. WE undestand Toni Morrison's comment that Bill Clinton was the nations first black president. WE can understand why powerful middle aged white men in the Republican Party did not think he was qualified to be President because Clinton satisfied every Black stereotype -- poor, working class, raised by a single mother. With all those self-fullfilling racialized stereotypes, why should he be allowed to be president? Strip him. Now, that's the power of systemic whiteness.
Q. Is discursive restraint essential to advance social justice in Ethical Democracy, or will ethical practices advance precisely because of the absence of discursive restraint in the public sphere?
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EthicalDemocracy
New York City
September 16th, 2009
6:17 am
Discursive Restraint & Democracy
Maureen I think you were the first reporter in the entire country to pick up on, and analyze the racial subtext of Joe Wilson's \"You Lie\"
verbal assault on President Obama, in Your earlier \"Boy Oh Boy\" column. I think you gave Clyburn the boost he may have needed, to follow up with that successful Resolution of Disapproval that passed today in Congress 240 - 179.
Even former President Carter made his assertion that Wilson's comment was racist, AFTER your column. Good going, thanks, your antiracism, not to mention drawing scathing attention to boorishness disguised as candor in public service, is appreciated.
Persuasive persistence pays, that is Discursive Democracy at its best -- and it made Wilson pay.
Chithra KarunaKaran
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
http://Et6hicalDemocracy.blogspot.com
Chithra KarunaKaran
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
http://EthicalDemocracy.blogspot.com
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Boy, Oh, Boy
By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: September 12, 2009
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The normally nonchalant Barack Obama looked nonplussed, as Nancy Pelosi glowered behind.
Surrounded by middle-aged white guys — a sepia snapshot of the days when such pols ran Washington like their own men’s club — Joe Wilson yelled “You lie!” at a president who didn’t.
But, fair or not, what I heard was an unspoken word in the air: You lie, boy!
The outburst was unexpected from a milquetoast Republican backbencher from South Carolina who had attracted little media attention. Now it has made him an overnight right-wing hero, inspiring “You lie!” bumper stickers and T-shirts.
The congressman, we learned, belonged to the Sons of Confederate Veterans, led a 2000 campaign to keep the Confederate flag waving above South Carolina’s state Capitol and denounced as a “smear” the true claim of a black woman that she was the daughter of Strom Thurmond, the ’48 segregationist candidate for president. Wilson clearly did not like being lectured and even rebuked by the brainy black president presiding over the majestic chamber.
I’ve been loath to admit that the shrieking lunacy of the summer — the frantic efforts to paint our first black president as the Other, a foreigner, socialist, fascist, Marxist, racist, Commie, Nazi; a cad who would snuff old people; a snake who would indoctrinate kids — had much to do with race.
I tended to agree with some Obama advisers that Democratic presidents typically have provoked a frothing response from paranoids — from Father Coughlin against F.D.R. to Joe McCarthy against Truman to the John Birchers against J.F.K. and the vast right-wing conspiracy against Bill Clinton.
But Wilson’s shocking disrespect for the office of the president — no Democrat ever shouted “liar” at W. when he was hawking a fake case for war in Iraq — convinced me: Some people just can’t believe a black man is president and will never accept it.
“A lot of these outbursts have to do with delegitimizing him as a president,” said Congressman Jim Clyburn, a senior member of the South Carolina delegation. Clyburn, the man who called out Bill Clinton on his racially tinged attacks on Obama in the primary, pushed Pelosi to pursue a formal resolution chastising Wilson.
“In South Carolina politics, I learned that the olive branch works very seldom,” he said. “You have to come at these things from a position of strength. My father used to say, ‘Son, always remember that silence gives consent.’ ”
Barry Obama of the post-’60s Hawaiian ’hood did not live through the major racial struggles in American history. Maybe he had a problem relating to his white basketball coach or catching a cab in New York, but he never got beaten up for being black.
Now he’s at the center of a period of racial turbulence sparked by his ascension. Even if he and the coterie of white male advisers around him don’t choose to openly acknowledge it, this president is the ultimate civil rights figure — a black man whose legitimacy is constantly challenged by a loco fringe.
For two centuries, the South has feared a takeover by blacks or the feds. In Obama, they have both.
The state that fired the first shot of the Civil War has now given us this: Senator Jim DeMint exhorted conservatives to “break” the president by upending his health care plan. Rusty DePass, a G.O.P. activist, said that a gorilla that escaped from a zoo was “just one of Michelle’s ancestors.” Lovelorn Mark Sanford tried to refuse the president’s stimulus money. And now Joe Wilson.
“A good many people in South Carolina really reject the notion that we’re part of the union,” said Don Fowler, the former Democratic Party chief who teaches politics at the University of South Carolina. He observed that when slavery was destroyed by outside forces and segregation was undone by civil rights leaders and Congress, it bred xenophobia.
“We have a lot of people who really think that the world’s against us,” Fowler said, “so when things don’t happen the way we like them to, we blame outsiders.” He said a state legislator not long ago tried to pass a bill to nullify any federal legislation with which South Carolinians didn’t agree. Shades of John C. Calhoun!
It may be President Obama’s very air of elegance and erudition that raises hackles in some. “My father used to say to me, ‘Boy, don’t get above your raising,’ ” Fowler said. “Some people are prejudiced anyway, and then they look at his education and mannerisms and get more angry at him.”
Clyburn had a warning for Obama advisers who want to forgive Wilson, ignore the ignorant outbursts and move on: “They’re going to have to develop ways in this White House to deal with things and not let them fester out there. Otherwise, they’ll see numbers moving in the wrong direction.”
Recommend More Articles in Opinion » A version of this article appeared in print on September 13, 2009, on page WK17 of the New York edition.
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Rapping Joe’s Knuckles
By MAUREEN DOWD
The pressure from House Democrats, and a handful of Republicans, on Joe Wilson to apologize was a rare triumph for civility in a country that seems to have lost all sense of it.
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The House of Representatives on Tuesday formally admonished Republican Rep. Joe Wilson for shouting "you lie" during President Obama's speech to a joint session of Congress last week.
Rep. Joe Wilson, R-South Carolina, shouts "You lie!" during President Obama's speech Wednesday night.
Rep. Joe Wilson, R-South Carolina, shouts "You lie!" during President Obama's speech Wednesday night.
The House passed a resolution of disapproval on a 240-179 vote that was mostly along party lines, reflecting the Democratic majority in the chamber. Twelve Democrats voted "no," while seven Republicans voted for the measure. Five representatives, all Democrats, voted "present."
According to the Office of the House Historian, it was the first time in its 220-year history that the House has disciplined a member for speaking out during a presidential speech in the chamber to a joint session of Congress.
During debate on the resolution, Wilson called the measure a waste of time and failed to apologize to the chamber, as demanded by House Democrats.
"When we are done here today, we will not have taken any further steps toward helping" the nation deal with urgent challenges, said Wilson, of South Carolina. "It is time that we move forward and get back to work for the American people." Video Watch House members debate the resolution »
He and other Republicans noted that Wilson apologized to Obama immediately after the speech, and that the president accept it. Asked after the vote if he apologized privately to House leaders such as Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Wilson told journalists it wasn't necessary.
"In my view, by apologizing to the president, the most important person in the history of the world, that applied to everyone," Wilson said.
However, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Maryland, said Wilson's refusal to apologize to the House for his disrespectful behavior to the chamber required admonishment.
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The issue, he said, "is whether we are able to proceed with a degree of civility and decorum" that Congress requires.
The House resolution was the mildest form of discipline the chamber can exercise for misconduct on the House floor.
"Whereas the conduct of the Representative from South Carolina was a breach of decorum and degraded the proceedings of the joint session, to the discredit of the House: Now, therefore, be it resolved that the House of Representatives disapproves of the behavior of the Representative from South Carolina, Mr. Wilson, during the joint session of Congress held on Sept. 9, 2009," said a text of the resolution posted earlier on Hoyer's legislative Web site.
Before debate on the measure began, one Democrat said the disrespect shown Obama by Wilson never would have happened to a white president.
"It only happened when this country elected a president of color," said Rep. Hank Johnson of Georgia. Another noted the heckling of the president in the House was unprecedented, and the chamber needed to enforce discipline in order to maintain civility. Video Watch Johnson comment on why he supports the resolution »
"No president has been subjected to that type of treatment on the floor of the House of Representatives, and if we go down that road, then it's the law of the jungle, and I think that's just wrong," said Rep. Gerry Connolly of Virginia.
However, House Minority Leader John Boehner of Ohio called the resolution "piling on."
In the debate, Boehner and other Republicans acknowledged the mistake by Wilson while citing his military career and how his four children also served in the military. They noted that he already had apologized to Obama and accused Democrats of a partisan stunt intended to deflect attention from what they called increasingly unpopular health care legislation. Video Watch Boehner talk about health care, support Wilson's apology »
"The American people want less politics and more jobs," said Rep. Mike Pence, R-Indiana.
In closing the debate, Democratic Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina, the House Majority whip, noted that all Americans, especially schoolchildren, learn about civics and government by observing the House.
Clyburn, a former schoolteacher, said failing to enforce House rules against Wilson's outburst would send the wrong message.
The House Democratic leadership agreed to move forward with the vote after meeting to discuss the issue Monday evening, according to two Democratic leadership aides.
Kristie Greco, a spokeswoman for Clyburn, said the discussion at Monday's meeting was about "how this speaks to the breach of decorum alone, and not addressing the issue sets a precedent for bad behavior."
"We're not the British Parliament for a reason," Greco added. Video Watch combative politicians in other countries »
Wilson on Sunday described his loud retort to Obama's statement that illegal immigrants would not be covered under the Democrats' health care bill as "a town hall moment." But he made it clear he would not apologize on the House floor.
"I called immediately, I did apologize, but I believe one apology is sufficient," he said.
Last week, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called the episode "unfortunate" and told reporters at her weekly news conference, "It's time for us to talk about health care and not Mr. Wilson."
But when Pelosi met with Democratic leaders later that day, her colleagues argued that unless Wilson apologized on his own, they would want a formal vote on a resolution of disapproval, according to several Democratic sources.
On Tuesday, Pelosi refused to comment on the resolution to reporters outside the weekly Democratic caucus meeting, saying that journalists should be focusing on the health care reform issue.
Other Democrats offered their thoughts.
Johnson said Wilson's comment amounted to a "wink" of approval to right-wing extremists who have brought highly charged language and imagery -- such as posters depicting Obama with a Hitler mustache or as an African witch doctor -- to the health care debate.
"He [Wilson] did not help the cause of diversity and tolerance with his remarks," Johnson said. "If I were a betting man, I would say that it instigated more racist sentiment feeling that it's OK -- you don't have to bury it now."
Johnson added that failing to rebuke Wilson would bring increased racism in the public discussion on health care, saying: "You can bring it out and talk about it fully, and so I guess we will probably have folks putting on white hoods and white uniforms again riding through the countryside intimidating people."
"That's the logical conclusion if this kind of attitude is not rebuked, and Congressman Wilson represents it," Johnson said. "He is the face of it, and that's why I support the resolution."
To Rep. Jason Altmire of Pennsylvania, a member of the moderate Blue Dog Democratic coalition, the issue was simple: "He has not apologized to the House for the embarrassment he brought" to the chamber, Altmire said.
Democratic Rep. Barbara Lee of California, a leading member of the Congressional Black Caucus, said Wilson's violation of House rules was "egregious enough that it warrants an apology on the floor." Without that, the resolution of disapproval is called for, she said.
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On the Republican side, Rep. Steve King of Iowa began circulating a letter among House Republicans last weekend urging Wilson not to apologize on the House floor.
The letter stated, "We urge that you hold your ground against those who seek partisan advantage and reject all demands for additional redress. When the president of the United States accepts an apology, no observer has an additional claim."
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Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'
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By GREG BLUESTEIN, Associated Press Writer Greg Bluestein, Associated Press Writer – 2 hrs 39 mins ago
ATLANTA – Former President Jimmy Carter said Tuesday that U.S. Rep. Joe Wilson's outburst to President Barack Obama during a speech to Congress last week was an act "based on racism" and rooted in fears of a black president.
"I think it's based on racism," Carter said in response to an audience question at a town hall held at his presidential center in Atlanta. "There is an inherent feeling among many in this country that an African-American should not be president."
The Georgia Democrat said the outburst was a part of a disturbing trend directed at the president that has included demonstrators equating Obama to Nazi leaders.
"Those kind of things are not just casual outcomes of a sincere debate on whether we should have a national program on health care," he said. "It's deeper than that."
Wilson, a South Carolina Republican, was formally rebuked Tuesday in a House vote for shouting "You lie!" during Obama's speech to Congress last Wednesday.
The shout came after the president commented that illegal aliens would be ineligible for federal subsidies to buy health insurance. Republicans expressed their disbelief with sounds of disapproval, punctuated by Wilson's outburst.
Tuesday's rebuke was a rare resolution of disapproval pushed through by Democrats who insisted that Wilson had violated basic rules of decorum and civility. Republicans characterized the measure as a witch hunt and Wilson, who had already apologized to Obama, insisted he owed the House no apology.
Wilson's spokesman was not immediately available for comment, but his eldest son defended his father.
"There is not a racist bone in my dad's body," said Alan Wilson, an Iraq veteran who is running for state attorney general. "He doesn't even laugh at distasteful jokes. I won't comment on former President Carter, because I don't know President Carter. But I know my dad, and it's just not in him."
"It's unfortunate people make that jump. People can disagree — and appropriately disagree — on issues of substance, but when they make the jump to race it's absolutely ludicrous. My brothers and I were raised by our parents to respect everyone regardless of background or race."
South Carolina's former Democratic Party chairman said that he doesn't believe Wilson was motivated by racism, but said the outburst encouraged racist views.
"I think Joe's conduct was asinine, but I think it would be asinine no matter what the color of the president," said Dick Harpootlian, who has known Wilson for decades. "I don't think Joe's outburst was caused by President Obama being African-American. I think it was caused by no filter being between his brain and his mouth."
Harpootlian said he received scores of racial e-mails from outside South Carolina after he talked about the vote on Fox News.
"You have a bunch of folks out there looking for some comfort in their racial issues. They have a problem with an African-American president," he said. "But was he motivated by that? I don't think so. I respectfully disagree with President Carter, though it gives validity to racism."
Carter called Wilson's comment "dastardly" and an aftershock of racist views that have permeated American politics for decades.
"The president is not only the head of government, he is the head of state," he said. "And no matter who he is or how much we disagree with his policies, the president should be treated with respect."
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Associated Press Writer Seanna Adcox in Columbia, S.C., contributed to this report.
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New Yorker comment by Toni Morrison on Clinton as the nation's first Black President
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Thanks to the papers, we know what the columnists think. Thanks to round-the-clock cable, we know what the ex-prosecutors, the right-wing blondes, the teletropic law professors, and the disgraced political consultants think. Thanks to the polls, we know what “the American people” think. But what about the experts on human folly?
by Toni Morrison October 5, 1998
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Communications;
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Adultery;
African-Americans (Blacks)
This summer, my plan was to do very selective radio listening, read no newspapers or news magazines, and leave my television screen profoundly, mercifully blank. There were books to read, others to finish, a few to read again. It was a lovely summer, and I was pleased with the decision to recuse myself from what had become since January The Only Story Worth Telling. Although I wanted cognitive space for my own pursuits, averting my gaze was not to bury my head. I was eager for information, yet suspicious of the package in which that information would be wrapped. I have been convinced for a long time now that, with a few dazzling exceptions, print and visual media have thrown away their freedom and chosen jail instead—have willingly locked themselves into a ratings-driven, money-based prison of their own making. However comfortable the prison may be, its most overwhelming feature is loss of the public. Not able, therefore, to trust reporters to report instead of gossip among themselves, unable to bear newscasters deflecting, ignoring, trivializing information—orchestrating its minor chords for the highest decibel—I decided to get my news the old-fashioned way: conversation, public eavesdropping, and word of mouth.
I hoped to avoid the spectacle I was sure would be mounted, fearing that at any minute I might have to witness ex-Presidential friends selling that friendship for the higher salaries of broadcast journalism; anticipating the nausea that might rise when quaking Democrats took firm positions on or over the fence in case the polls changed. I imagined feral Republicans, smelling blood and a shot at the totalitarian power they believe is rightfully theirs; self-congratulatory pundits sifting through “history” for nuggets of dubious relevancy.
I did not relinquish my summer plans, but summer is over now and I have begun to supplement verbal accounts of the running news with tentative perusal of C-span, brief glimpses of anchorfolk, squinting glances at newspapers—trying belatedly to get the story straight. What, I have been wondering, is the story—the one only the public seems to know? And what does it mean?
I wish that the effluvia did add up to a story of adultery. Serious as adultery is, it is not a national catastrophe. Women leaving hotels following trysts with their extramarital lovers tell pollsters they abominate Mr. Clinton’s behavior. Relaxed men fresh from massage parlors frown earnestly into the camera at the mere thought of such malfeasance. No one “approves” of adultery, but, unlike fidelity in Plymouth Rock society, late-twentieth-century fidelity, when weighed against the constitutional right to privacy, comes up short. The root of the word, adulterare, means “to defile,” but at its core is treachery. Cloaked in deception and secrecy, it has earned prominence on lists of moral prohibitions and is understood as more than a sin; in divorce courts it is a crime. People don’t get arrested for its commission, but they can suffer its grave consequences.
Still, it is clear that this is not a narrative of adultery or even of its consequences for the families involved. Is there anyone who believes that that was all the investigation had in mind? Adultery is the Independent Counsel’s loss leader, the item displayed to lure the customers inside the shop. Nor was it ever a story about seduction—male vamp or female predator (or the other way around). It played that way a little: a worn tale of middle-aged vulnerability and youthful appetite. The Achilles’ heel analogy flashed for a bit, but had no staying power, although its ultra meaning—that Achilles’ heel was given to Achilles, not to a lesser man—lay quietly dormant under the cliché.
At another point, the story seemed to be about high and impeachable crimes like the ones we have had some experience with: the suborning of federal agencies; the exchange of billion-dollar contracts for proof of indiscretion; the extermination of infants in illegal wars mounted and waged for money and power. Until something like those abuses surfaces, the story will have to make do with thinner stuff: alleged perjury and “Lady, your husband is cheating on us.” Whatever the media promote and the chorus chants, whatever dapples dinner tables, this is not a mundane story of sex, lies, and videotape. The real story is none of these. Not adultery, or high crimes. Nor is it even the story of a brilliant President naïve enough to believe, along with the rest of the citizenry, that there were lines one’s enemies would not cross, lengths to which they would not go—a profound, perhaps irrevocable, error in judgment.
In a quite baffling and frustrating manner, it was not a “story” but a compilation of revelations and commentary which shied away from the meaning of its own material. In spite of myriad “titles” (“The President in Crisis”), what the public has been given is dangerously close to a story of no story at all. One of the problems in locating it is the absence of a coherent sphere of enunciation. There seems to be no appropriate language in which or platform of discourse from which to pursue it. This absence of clear language has imploded into a surfeit of contradictory languages. The parsing and equivocal terminology of law is laced with titillation. Raw comedy is spiked with Cotton Mather homilies. The precision of a coroner’s vocabulary mocks passionate debates on morality. Radiant sermons are forced to dance with vile headlines. From deep within this conflagration of tony, occasionally insightful, arch, pompous, mournful, supercilious, generous, salivating verbalism, the single consistent sound to emerge is a howl of revulsion.
But revulsion against what? What is being violated, ruptured, defiled? The bedroom? The Oval Office? The voting booth? The fourth grade? Marriage vows? The flag? Whatever answer is given, underneath the national embarrassment churns a disquiet turned to dread and now anger.
African-American men seemed to understand it right away. Years ago, in the middle of the Whitewater investigation, one heard the first murmurs: white skin notwithstanding, this is our first black President. Blacker than any actual black person who could ever be elected in our children’s lifetime. After all, Clinton displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald’s-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas. And when virtually all the African-American Clinton appointees began, one by one, to disappear, when the President’s body, his privacy, his unpoliced sexuality became the focus of the persecution, when he was metaphorically seized and body-searched, who could gainsay these black men who knew whereof they spoke? The message was clear: “No matter how smart you are, how hard you work, how much coin you earn for us, we will put you in your place or put you out of the place you have somehow, albeit with our permission, achieved. You will be fired from your job, sent away in disgrace, and—who knows?—maybe sentenced and jailed to boot. In short, unless you do as we say (i.e., assimilate at once), your expletives belong to us.”
For a large segment of the population who are not African-Americans or members of other minorities, the elusive story left visible tracks: from target sighted to attack, to criminalization, to lynching, and now, in some quarters, to crucifixion. The always and already guilty “perp” is being hunted down not by a prosecutor’s obsessive application of law but by a different kind of pursuer, one who makes new laws out of the shards of those he breaks.
Certain freedoms I once imagined as being in a vault somewhere, like ancient jewels kept safe from thieves. No single official or group could break in and remove them, certainly not in public. The image is juvenile, of course, and I have not had recourse to it for the whole of my adult life. Yet it is useful now to explain what I perceive as the real story. For each bootstep the office of the Independent Counsel has taken smashes one of those jewels—a ruby of grand-jury secrecy here, a sapphire of due process there. Such concentrated power may be reminiscent of a solitary Torquemada on a holy mission of lethal inquisition. It may even suggest a fatwa. But neither applies. This is Slaughtergate. A sustained, bloody, arrogant coup d’état. The Presidency is being stolen from us. And the people know it.
I don’t regret my “news-free” summer. Getting at the story in that retrograde fashion has been rewarding. Early this week, a neighbor called to ask if I would march. Where? To Washington, she said. Absolutely, I answered, without even asking what for. “We have to prevent the collapse of our Constitution,” she said.
We meet tonight. ♦
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As Race Debate Grows, Obama Steers Clear of It
By JEFF ZELENY and JIM RUTENBERG
Beyond posing a distraction, the race issue could further strain the president’s broad but tenuous coalition.
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My NYTimes comment
September 17th, 2009
3:53 am
Comment #93.
EthicalDemocracy
New York City
September 17th, 2009
8:36 am
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Using RACE as a Political Weapon against We the People
President Obama is making the right decision by refusing to get drawn into the so-called race debate.
What debate? This is no debate. It is a cynical attempt, by some inside and outside Congress, to destroy healthcare reform.
It is WE the People who will pay the price, if healthcare reform is not enacted.
A majority of Republicans would like to USE RACE to scuttle Obama's healthcare agenda. That is what one Republican, Joe Wilson, did when he insulted the President, on primetime national TV in an unprecedented shoutout, inside Congress.
But here's the issue. Joe Wilson has the healthcare I want.
Both Clyburn and Carter EXPOSED Wilson and Co. and the hate agenda of some Americans both inside and outside Congress. Actually Maureen did it first. Dowd led the way.
Let us keep our Eyes on the Prize -- FAIR healthcare for ALL Americans, with no one left out.
Chithra KarunaKaran
Ethical Democracy as Lived Practice
http://EthicalDemocracy.blogspot.com
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EthicalDemocracy
New York City
September 16th, 2009
12:07 pm
Joe Wilson, Republican of South Carolina shouts "You lie" on primetime national TV, to President Obama while Obama is addressing the joint session of Congress on his proposed Healthcare plan.
Wilson is White, Obama is Black.
Wilson is advised by some of his Republican colleagues to call Obama to "apologize".
Wilson calls the White House and conveys his apology to White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel. Emanuel informs Wilson his apology is "accepted" by the President.
The House of Representatives, controlled by Democrats, discusses and passes a Resolution of Disapproval on Wilson's accusation against the President
Former President Carter, white, male and Southern like Wilson, asserts that Congressman Wilson statement was "based on racism."
Wilson's performance of whiteness can be explained most comprehensively through the Theory of Systemic Whiteness. Without using a rigorous theoretical explanation, statements like Wilson's, as well as the statements and actions that follow, will continue to be seen as unusual, atypical, incidental. When viewed through the lens of Systemic Whiteness, we see race as performative and structural, indispensable to US civil society and its particular trajectory of democracy. We see whiteness as a system of Power exercised over unadmitted others. WE undestand Toni Morrison's comment that Bill Clinton was the nations first black president. WE can understand why powerful middle aged white men in the Republican Party did not think he was qualified to be President because Clinton satisfied every Black stereotype -- poor, working class, raised by a single mother. With all those self-fullfilling racialized stereotypes, why should he be allowed to be president? Strip him. Now, that's the power of systemic whiteness.
Q. Is discursive restraint essential to advance social justice in Ethical Democracy, or will ethical practices advance precisely because of the absence of discursive restraint in the public sphere?
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New York City
September 16th, 2009
6:17 am
Discursive Restraint & Democracy
Maureen I think you were the first reporter in the entire country to pick up on, and analyze the racial subtext of Joe Wilson's \"You Lie\"
verbal assault on President Obama, in Your earlier \"Boy Oh Boy\" column. I think you gave Clyburn the boost he may have needed, to follow up with that successful Resolution of Disapproval that passed today in Congress 240 - 179.
Even former President Carter made his assertion that Wilson's comment was racist, AFTER your column. Good going, thanks, your antiracism, not to mention drawing scathing attention to boorishness disguised as candor in public service, is appreciated.
Persuasive persistence pays, that is Discursive Democracy at its best -- and it made Wilson pay.
Chithra KarunaKaran
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
http://Et6hicalDemocracy.blogspot.com
Chithra KarunaKaran
Ethical Democracy As Lived Practice
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Boy, Oh, Boy
By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: September 12, 2009
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The normally nonchalant Barack Obama looked nonplussed, as Nancy Pelosi glowered behind.
Surrounded by middle-aged white guys — a sepia snapshot of the days when such pols ran Washington like their own men’s club — Joe Wilson yelled “You lie!” at a president who didn’t.
But, fair or not, what I heard was an unspoken word in the air: You lie, boy!
The outburst was unexpected from a milquetoast Republican backbencher from South Carolina who had attracted little media attention. Now it has made him an overnight right-wing hero, inspiring “You lie!” bumper stickers and T-shirts.
The congressman, we learned, belonged to the Sons of Confederate Veterans, led a 2000 campaign to keep the Confederate flag waving above South Carolina’s state Capitol and denounced as a “smear” the true claim of a black woman that she was the daughter of Strom Thurmond, the ’48 segregationist candidate for president. Wilson clearly did not like being lectured and even rebuked by the brainy black president presiding over the majestic chamber.
I’ve been loath to admit that the shrieking lunacy of the summer — the frantic efforts to paint our first black president as the Other, a foreigner, socialist, fascist, Marxist, racist, Commie, Nazi; a cad who would snuff old people; a snake who would indoctrinate kids — had much to do with race.
I tended to agree with some Obama advisers that Democratic presidents typically have provoked a frothing response from paranoids — from Father Coughlin against F.D.R. to Joe McCarthy against Truman to the John Birchers against J.F.K. and the vast right-wing conspiracy against Bill Clinton.
But Wilson’s shocking disrespect for the office of the president — no Democrat ever shouted “liar” at W. when he was hawking a fake case for war in Iraq — convinced me: Some people just can’t believe a black man is president and will never accept it.
“A lot of these outbursts have to do with delegitimizing him as a president,” said Congressman Jim Clyburn, a senior member of the South Carolina delegation. Clyburn, the man who called out Bill Clinton on his racially tinged attacks on Obama in the primary, pushed Pelosi to pursue a formal resolution chastising Wilson.
“In South Carolina politics, I learned that the olive branch works very seldom,” he said. “You have to come at these things from a position of strength. My father used to say, ‘Son, always remember that silence gives consent.’ ”
Barry Obama of the post-’60s Hawaiian ’hood did not live through the major racial struggles in American history. Maybe he had a problem relating to his white basketball coach or catching a cab in New York, but he never got beaten up for being black.
Now he’s at the center of a period of racial turbulence sparked by his ascension. Even if he and the coterie of white male advisers around him don’t choose to openly acknowledge it, this president is the ultimate civil rights figure — a black man whose legitimacy is constantly challenged by a loco fringe.
For two centuries, the South has feared a takeover by blacks or the feds. In Obama, they have both.
The state that fired the first shot of the Civil War has now given us this: Senator Jim DeMint exhorted conservatives to “break” the president by upending his health care plan. Rusty DePass, a G.O.P. activist, said that a gorilla that escaped from a zoo was “just one of Michelle’s ancestors.” Lovelorn Mark Sanford tried to refuse the president’s stimulus money. And now Joe Wilson.
“A good many people in South Carolina really reject the notion that we’re part of the union,” said Don Fowler, the former Democratic Party chief who teaches politics at the University of South Carolina. He observed that when slavery was destroyed by outside forces and segregation was undone by civil rights leaders and Congress, it bred xenophobia.
“We have a lot of people who really think that the world’s against us,” Fowler said, “so when things don’t happen the way we like them to, we blame outsiders.” He said a state legislator not long ago tried to pass a bill to nullify any federal legislation with which South Carolinians didn’t agree. Shades of John C. Calhoun!
It may be President Obama’s very air of elegance and erudition that raises hackles in some. “My father used to say to me, ‘Boy, don’t get above your raising,’ ” Fowler said. “Some people are prejudiced anyway, and then they look at his education and mannerisms and get more angry at him.”
Clyburn had a warning for Obama advisers who want to forgive Wilson, ignore the ignorant outbursts and move on: “They’re going to have to develop ways in this White House to deal with things and not let them fester out there. Otherwise, they’ll see numbers moving in the wrong direction.”
Recommend More Articles in Opinion » A version of this article appeared in print on September 13, 2009, on page WK17 of the New York edition.
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Rapping Joe’s Knuckles
By MAUREEN DOWD
The pressure from House Democrats, and a handful of Republicans, on Joe Wilson to apologize was a rare triumph for civility in a country that seems to have lost all sense of it.
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The House of Representatives on Tuesday formally admonished Republican Rep. Joe Wilson for shouting "you lie" during President Obama's speech to a joint session of Congress last week.
Rep. Joe Wilson, R-South Carolina, shouts "You lie!" during President Obama's speech Wednesday night.
Rep. Joe Wilson, R-South Carolina, shouts "You lie!" during President Obama's speech Wednesday night.
The House passed a resolution of disapproval on a 240-179 vote that was mostly along party lines, reflecting the Democratic majority in the chamber. Twelve Democrats voted "no," while seven Republicans voted for the measure. Five representatives, all Democrats, voted "present."
According to the Office of the House Historian, it was the first time in its 220-year history that the House has disciplined a member for speaking out during a presidential speech in the chamber to a joint session of Congress.
During debate on the resolution, Wilson called the measure a waste of time and failed to apologize to the chamber, as demanded by House Democrats.
"When we are done here today, we will not have taken any further steps toward helping" the nation deal with urgent challenges, said Wilson, of South Carolina. "It is time that we move forward and get back to work for the American people." Video Watch House members debate the resolution »
He and other Republicans noted that Wilson apologized to Obama immediately after the speech, and that the president accept it. Asked after the vote if he apologized privately to House leaders such as Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Wilson told journalists it wasn't necessary.
"In my view, by apologizing to the president, the most important person in the history of the world, that applied to everyone," Wilson said.
However, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Maryland, said Wilson's refusal to apologize to the House for his disrespectful behavior to the chamber required admonishment.
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The issue, he said, "is whether we are able to proceed with a degree of civility and decorum" that Congress requires.
The House resolution was the mildest form of discipline the chamber can exercise for misconduct on the House floor.
"Whereas the conduct of the Representative from South Carolina was a breach of decorum and degraded the proceedings of the joint session, to the discredit of the House: Now, therefore, be it resolved that the House of Representatives disapproves of the behavior of the Representative from South Carolina, Mr. Wilson, during the joint session of Congress held on Sept. 9, 2009," said a text of the resolution posted earlier on Hoyer's legislative Web site.
Before debate on the measure began, one Democrat said the disrespect shown Obama by Wilson never would have happened to a white president.
"It only happened when this country elected a president of color," said Rep. Hank Johnson of Georgia. Another noted the heckling of the president in the House was unprecedented, and the chamber needed to enforce discipline in order to maintain civility. Video Watch Johnson comment on why he supports the resolution »
"No president has been subjected to that type of treatment on the floor of the House of Representatives, and if we go down that road, then it's the law of the jungle, and I think that's just wrong," said Rep. Gerry Connolly of Virginia.
However, House Minority Leader John Boehner of Ohio called the resolution "piling on."
In the debate, Boehner and other Republicans acknowledged the mistake by Wilson while citing his military career and how his four children also served in the military. They noted that he already had apologized to Obama and accused Democrats of a partisan stunt intended to deflect attention from what they called increasingly unpopular health care legislation. Video Watch Boehner talk about health care, support Wilson's apology »
"The American people want less politics and more jobs," said Rep. Mike Pence, R-Indiana.
In closing the debate, Democratic Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina, the House Majority whip, noted that all Americans, especially schoolchildren, learn about civics and government by observing the House.
Clyburn, a former schoolteacher, said failing to enforce House rules against Wilson's outburst would send the wrong message.
The House Democratic leadership agreed to move forward with the vote after meeting to discuss the issue Monday evening, according to two Democratic leadership aides.
Kristie Greco, a spokeswoman for Clyburn, said the discussion at Monday's meeting was about "how this speaks to the breach of decorum alone, and not addressing the issue sets a precedent for bad behavior."
"We're not the British Parliament for a reason," Greco added. Video Watch combative politicians in other countries »
Wilson on Sunday described his loud retort to Obama's statement that illegal immigrants would not be covered under the Democrats' health care bill as "a town hall moment." But he made it clear he would not apologize on the House floor.
"I called immediately, I did apologize, but I believe one apology is sufficient," he said.
Last week, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called the episode "unfortunate" and told reporters at her weekly news conference, "It's time for us to talk about health care and not Mr. Wilson."
But when Pelosi met with Democratic leaders later that day, her colleagues argued that unless Wilson apologized on his own, they would want a formal vote on a resolution of disapproval, according to several Democratic sources.
On Tuesday, Pelosi refused to comment on the resolution to reporters outside the weekly Democratic caucus meeting, saying that journalists should be focusing on the health care reform issue.
Other Democrats offered their thoughts.
Johnson said Wilson's comment amounted to a "wink" of approval to right-wing extremists who have brought highly charged language and imagery -- such as posters depicting Obama with a Hitler mustache or as an African witch doctor -- to the health care debate.
"He [Wilson] did not help the cause of diversity and tolerance with his remarks," Johnson said. "If I were a betting man, I would say that it instigated more racist sentiment feeling that it's OK -- you don't have to bury it now."
Johnson added that failing to rebuke Wilson would bring increased racism in the public discussion on health care, saying: "You can bring it out and talk about it fully, and so I guess we will probably have folks putting on white hoods and white uniforms again riding through the countryside intimidating people."
"That's the logical conclusion if this kind of attitude is not rebuked, and Congressman Wilson represents it," Johnson said. "He is the face of it, and that's why I support the resolution."
To Rep. Jason Altmire of Pennsylvania, a member of the moderate Blue Dog Democratic coalition, the issue was simple: "He has not apologized to the House for the embarrassment he brought" to the chamber, Altmire said.
Democratic Rep. Barbara Lee of California, a leading member of the Congressional Black Caucus, said Wilson's violation of House rules was "egregious enough that it warrants an apology on the floor." Without that, the resolution of disapproval is called for, she said.
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On the Republican side, Rep. Steve King of Iowa began circulating a letter among House Republicans last weekend urging Wilson not to apologize on the House floor.
The letter stated, "We urge that you hold your ground against those who seek partisan advantage and reject all demands for additional redress. When the president of the United States accepts an apology, no observer has an additional claim."
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Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'
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By GREG BLUESTEIN, Associated Press Writer Greg Bluestein, Associated Press Writer – 2 hrs 39 mins ago
ATLANTA – Former President Jimmy Carter said Tuesday that U.S. Rep. Joe Wilson's outburst to President Barack Obama during a speech to Congress last week was an act "based on racism" and rooted in fears of a black president.
"I think it's based on racism," Carter said in response to an audience question at a town hall held at his presidential center in Atlanta. "There is an inherent feeling among many in this country that an African-American should not be president."
The Georgia Democrat said the outburst was a part of a disturbing trend directed at the president that has included demonstrators equating Obama to Nazi leaders.
"Those kind of things are not just casual outcomes of a sincere debate on whether we should have a national program on health care," he said. "It's deeper than that."
Wilson, a South Carolina Republican, was formally rebuked Tuesday in a House vote for shouting "You lie!" during Obama's speech to Congress last Wednesday.
The shout came after the president commented that illegal aliens would be ineligible for federal subsidies to buy health insurance. Republicans expressed their disbelief with sounds of disapproval, punctuated by Wilson's outburst.
Tuesday's rebuke was a rare resolution of disapproval pushed through by Democrats who insisted that Wilson had violated basic rules of decorum and civility. Republicans characterized the measure as a witch hunt and Wilson, who had already apologized to Obama, insisted he owed the House no apology.
Wilson's spokesman was not immediately available for comment, but his eldest son defended his father.
"There is not a racist bone in my dad's body," said Alan Wilson, an Iraq veteran who is running for state attorney general. "He doesn't even laugh at distasteful jokes. I won't comment on former President Carter, because I don't know President Carter. But I know my dad, and it's just not in him."
"It's unfortunate people make that jump. People can disagree — and appropriately disagree — on issues of substance, but when they make the jump to race it's absolutely ludicrous. My brothers and I were raised by our parents to respect everyone regardless of background or race."
South Carolina's former Democratic Party chairman said that he doesn't believe Wilson was motivated by racism, but said the outburst encouraged racist views.
"I think Joe's conduct was asinine, but I think it would be asinine no matter what the color of the president," said Dick Harpootlian, who has known Wilson for decades. "I don't think Joe's outburst was caused by President Obama being African-American. I think it was caused by no filter being between his brain and his mouth."
Harpootlian said he received scores of racial e-mails from outside South Carolina after he talked about the vote on Fox News.
"You have a bunch of folks out there looking for some comfort in their racial issues. They have a problem with an African-American president," he said. "But was he motivated by that? I don't think so. I respectfully disagree with President Carter, though it gives validity to racism."
Carter called Wilson's comment "dastardly" and an aftershock of racist views that have permeated American politics for decades.
"The president is not only the head of government, he is the head of state," he said. "And no matter who he is or how much we disagree with his policies, the president should be treated with respect."
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Associated Press Writer Seanna Adcox in Columbia, S.C., contributed to this report.
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New Yorker comment by Toni Morrison on Clinton as the nation's first Black President
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Thanks to the papers, we know what the columnists think. Thanks to round-the-clock cable, we know what the ex-prosecutors, the right-wing blondes, the teletropic law professors, and the disgraced political consultants think. Thanks to the polls, we know what “the American people” think. But what about the experts on human folly?
by Toni Morrison October 5, 1998
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This summer, my plan was to do very selective radio listening, read no newspapers or news magazines, and leave my television screen profoundly, mercifully blank. There were books to read, others to finish, a few to read again. It was a lovely summer, and I was pleased with the decision to recuse myself from what had become since January The Only Story Worth Telling. Although I wanted cognitive space for my own pursuits, averting my gaze was not to bury my head. I was eager for information, yet suspicious of the package in which that information would be wrapped. I have been convinced for a long time now that, with a few dazzling exceptions, print and visual media have thrown away their freedom and chosen jail instead—have willingly locked themselves into a ratings-driven, money-based prison of their own making. However comfortable the prison may be, its most overwhelming feature is loss of the public. Not able, therefore, to trust reporters to report instead of gossip among themselves, unable to bear newscasters deflecting, ignoring, trivializing information—orchestrating its minor chords for the highest decibel—I decided to get my news the old-fashioned way: conversation, public eavesdropping, and word of mouth.
I hoped to avoid the spectacle I was sure would be mounted, fearing that at any minute I might have to witness ex-Presidential friends selling that friendship for the higher salaries of broadcast journalism; anticipating the nausea that might rise when quaking Democrats took firm positions on or over the fence in case the polls changed. I imagined feral Republicans, smelling blood and a shot at the totalitarian power they believe is rightfully theirs; self-congratulatory pundits sifting through “history” for nuggets of dubious relevancy.
I did not relinquish my summer plans, but summer is over now and I have begun to supplement verbal accounts of the running news with tentative perusal of C-span, brief glimpses of anchorfolk, squinting glances at newspapers—trying belatedly to get the story straight. What, I have been wondering, is the story—the one only the public seems to know? And what does it mean?
I wish that the effluvia did add up to a story of adultery. Serious as adultery is, it is not a national catastrophe. Women leaving hotels following trysts with their extramarital lovers tell pollsters they abominate Mr. Clinton’s behavior. Relaxed men fresh from massage parlors frown earnestly into the camera at the mere thought of such malfeasance. No one “approves” of adultery, but, unlike fidelity in Plymouth Rock society, late-twentieth-century fidelity, when weighed against the constitutional right to privacy, comes up short. The root of the word, adulterare, means “to defile,” but at its core is treachery. Cloaked in deception and secrecy, it has earned prominence on lists of moral prohibitions and is understood as more than a sin; in divorce courts it is a crime. People don’t get arrested for its commission, but they can suffer its grave consequences.
Still, it is clear that this is not a narrative of adultery or even of its consequences for the families involved. Is there anyone who believes that that was all the investigation had in mind? Adultery is the Independent Counsel’s loss leader, the item displayed to lure the customers inside the shop. Nor was it ever a story about seduction—male vamp or female predator (or the other way around). It played that way a little: a worn tale of middle-aged vulnerability and youthful appetite. The Achilles’ heel analogy flashed for a bit, but had no staying power, although its ultra meaning—that Achilles’ heel was given to Achilles, not to a lesser man—lay quietly dormant under the cliché.
At another point, the story seemed to be about high and impeachable crimes like the ones we have had some experience with: the suborning of federal agencies; the exchange of billion-dollar contracts for proof of indiscretion; the extermination of infants in illegal wars mounted and waged for money and power. Until something like those abuses surfaces, the story will have to make do with thinner stuff: alleged perjury and “Lady, your husband is cheating on us.” Whatever the media promote and the chorus chants, whatever dapples dinner tables, this is not a mundane story of sex, lies, and videotape. The real story is none of these. Not adultery, or high crimes. Nor is it even the story of a brilliant President naïve enough to believe, along with the rest of the citizenry, that there were lines one’s enemies would not cross, lengths to which they would not go—a profound, perhaps irrevocable, error in judgment.
In a quite baffling and frustrating manner, it was not a “story” but a compilation of revelations and commentary which shied away from the meaning of its own material. In spite of myriad “titles” (“The President in Crisis”), what the public has been given is dangerously close to a story of no story at all. One of the problems in locating it is the absence of a coherent sphere of enunciation. There seems to be no appropriate language in which or platform of discourse from which to pursue it. This absence of clear language has imploded into a surfeit of contradictory languages. The parsing and equivocal terminology of law is laced with titillation. Raw comedy is spiked with Cotton Mather homilies. The precision of a coroner’s vocabulary mocks passionate debates on morality. Radiant sermons are forced to dance with vile headlines. From deep within this conflagration of tony, occasionally insightful, arch, pompous, mournful, supercilious, generous, salivating verbalism, the single consistent sound to emerge is a howl of revulsion.
But revulsion against what? What is being violated, ruptured, defiled? The bedroom? The Oval Office? The voting booth? The fourth grade? Marriage vows? The flag? Whatever answer is given, underneath the national embarrassment churns a disquiet turned to dread and now anger.
African-American men seemed to understand it right away. Years ago, in the middle of the Whitewater investigation, one heard the first murmurs: white skin notwithstanding, this is our first black President. Blacker than any actual black person who could ever be elected in our children’s lifetime. After all, Clinton displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald’s-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas. And when virtually all the African-American Clinton appointees began, one by one, to disappear, when the President’s body, his privacy, his unpoliced sexuality became the focus of the persecution, when he was metaphorically seized and body-searched, who could gainsay these black men who knew whereof they spoke? The message was clear: “No matter how smart you are, how hard you work, how much coin you earn for us, we will put you in your place or put you out of the place you have somehow, albeit with our permission, achieved. You will be fired from your job, sent away in disgrace, and—who knows?—maybe sentenced and jailed to boot. In short, unless you do as we say (i.e., assimilate at once), your expletives belong to us.”
For a large segment of the population who are not African-Americans or members of other minorities, the elusive story left visible tracks: from target sighted to attack, to criminalization, to lynching, and now, in some quarters, to crucifixion. The always and already guilty “perp” is being hunted down not by a prosecutor’s obsessive application of law but by a different kind of pursuer, one who makes new laws out of the shards of those he breaks.
Certain freedoms I once imagined as being in a vault somewhere, like ancient jewels kept safe from thieves. No single official or group could break in and remove them, certainly not in public. The image is juvenile, of course, and I have not had recourse to it for the whole of my adult life. Yet it is useful now to explain what I perceive as the real story. For each bootstep the office of the Independent Counsel has taken smashes one of those jewels—a ruby of grand-jury secrecy here, a sapphire of due process there. Such concentrated power may be reminiscent of a solitary Torquemada on a holy mission of lethal inquisition. It may even suggest a fatwa. But neither applies. This is Slaughtergate. A sustained, bloody, arrogant coup d’état. The Presidency is being stolen from us. And the people know it.
I don’t regret my “news-free” summer. Getting at the story in that retrograde fashion has been rewarding. Early this week, a neighbor called to ask if I would march. Where? To Washington, she said. Absolutely, I answered, without even asking what for. “We have to prevent the collapse of our Constitution,” she said.
We meet tonight. ♦
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As Race Debate Grows, Obama Steers Clear of It
By JEFF ZELENY and JIM RUTENBERG
Beyond posing a distraction, the race issue could further strain the president’s broad but tenuous coalition.
(My NYT comment in response to this article, appears above
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